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Old 11-10-2009, 02:57 PM   #31
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Chance loves TOTW. I think it is the wetlands formula.
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Old 11-10-2009, 09:43 PM   #32
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Funny that you quoted that... I used to know Dana. I can vouch that this is a reliable source. What Dana says is true.
The list header, "Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided)" is misleading and not entirely true. There are foods made by companies on that list that do not contain ethoxyquin, Eukanuba is one example, only their prescription foods contain ethoxyquin.
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Old 11-11-2009, 09:52 AM   #33
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The list header, "Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided)" is misleading and not entirely true. There are foods made by companies on that list that do not contain ethoxyquin, Eukanuba is one example, only their prescription foods contain ethoxyquin.
How can you say that? Eukanuba contains fish meal.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:23 AM   #34
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Got the email reply back from the vet and it said: Most of the ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process, requiring other
preservatives to be used. Tests for ethoxyquin are run routinely on Taste of
the Wild products. The results are typically less than 5ppm. The amount
allowed, and considered to be safe, by the FDA is 75ppm. Fish meal is an important ingredient that provides quality amino acids and omega-3 fatty acids.
So, sounds like its still a good food.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:41 AM   #35
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Got the email reply back from the vet and it said: Most of the ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process, requiring other
preservatives to be used. Tests for ethoxyquin are run routinely on Taste of
the Wild products. The results are typically less than 5ppm. The amount
allowed, and considered to be safe, by the FDA is 75ppm. Fish meal is an important ingredient that provides quality amino acids and omega-3 fatty acids.
So, sounds like its still a good food.
These are interesting statements we get from these companies. Following is a quote by a new member on this board, Jenlovepets, who identifies herself as an IAMS employee. In the thread about "ethoxyquin and prescription foods" part of her post #12 reads:
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Ethoxyquin is a synthetic antioxidant that remains stable at the high temperatures required to process pet foods.
So, we have Diamond saying that ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process; while IAMS/Eukanuba says ethoxyquin remains stable at high temperatures. So, how do we as consumers sort this out?
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:42 AM   #36
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Got the email reply back from the vet and it said: Most of the ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process, requiring other
preservatives to be used. Tests for ethoxyquin are run routinely on Taste of
the Wild products. The results are typically less than 5ppm. The amount
allowed, and considered to be safe, by the FDA is 75ppm. Fish meal is an important ingredient that provides quality amino acids and omega-3 fatty acids.
So, sounds like its still a good food.
That is what I was told too. The way I look at it is this: yeah, it's 5ppm... but fed over a life time... that seems to me like it would add up.

In the end, it's whatever you feel comfortable with. I MAY, at a later date add TOTW back into our rotation just because Maxwell enjoys it and does well on it... but we will see... and if I do, it'll be fed very sparingly.
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Old 11-11-2009, 11:45 AM   #37
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So, we have Diamond saying that ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process; while IAMS/Eukanuba says ethoxyquin remains stable at high temperatures. So, how do we as consumers sort this out?
Good question...
It could be companies are going to show support if they see good in it, minimize it if their consumer sees it as bad.

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Old 11-20-2009, 08:07 PM   #38
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They love TOTW high plains. perfect stools and shiny coats
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:11 PM   #39
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I feed mine TOTW Salmon. THey like it ok. Sadie is going through a time of not woofing her food down. I don't know.....she lets it stay in her bowl a while. I'm satisfied in how they are doing on it....both have good coats and Sadie is lean...Oscar is Oscar...old and slow....
Mya went through that time, like Sadie, but she never got out of it! I think she just didn't like TOTW which is too bad because it gave her nice firm stools. I liked it for her but she didn't.
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Old 11-21-2009, 05:49 AM   #40
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We tried the salmon when it first came out. They liked it at first but I have picky dogs.
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Old 11-21-2009, 04:26 PM   #41
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Does anyone remember where dogs came from? these are wild animals. feed them Raw meat. They dont run around the woods looking for cranberries and corn they want DEER and FISH and TURKEY and maybe a DUCK for dessert maybe.
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Old 11-23-2009, 11:00 AM   #42
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Jasper loved this food,( Pacific Stream ) then about 3 months ago he started having some licking of the paws issues, did a little process of elimination, ended up being the food, what exactly in the food, I am not sure.
This was around the same time period that my three started having issues with TOTW pacific stream. Riley and Devon's ears started up again and Brodie's was paw licking. I had emailed them when I noticed a change in kibble size and colour and was told that they was no change in formula and kibble size-quite a bit smaller and darker-was due to line change in production equipment
I have switched them all to Purina SSS-one bag and now on to Selects Salmon since there is only a 6 buck price difference at Petsmart-mind you bag size 40 lbs vs 33 lbs makes for a couple of less days but I plan on trying this for a few months- if I do go back to grain-free it will be Ocean Core.
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Old 11-25-2009, 06:28 PM   #43
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Currently feeding Euk. and after advice from my trainer and reading dog food analyisis.com, I am considering trying Taste of the Wild. Roger is a 8 month old male yellow lab around 72 ish pounds.

New member to this site.

Any recommendations, or advice for me?
Taste of the Wild is good stuff. You might also what to check out Orijen
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Old 11-25-2009, 07:13 PM   #44
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I don't usually post on these kinds of discussions, but this one is very interesting to me.

Goldberg and Rocky have been on Blue Buffalo Whitefish and Sweet Potato and Wellness Fish and both had chronic diarrhea.

It makes me wonder now... was it the fish or the ethoxyquin???

Either way, I'm happy to read that Fromm, which Rocky is on and Cal Nat, which GB is on do not have it.
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Old 11-26-2009, 07:10 PM   #45
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Cooper uses it in rotation. No other grain free food comes close to this in price and thats why i like it. he has no issues with any food. i just think he may have allergies so i avoid certain ingredients but he has a rock solid stomach and loves everything
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