Currently feeding Euk. and after advice from my trainer and reading dog food analyisis.com, I am considering trying Taste of the Wild. Roger is a 8 month old male yellow lab around 72 ish pounds.

New member to this site.

Any recommendations, or advice for me?

Our dogs love TOTW! We have fed all varieties but one dog is allergic to something in the Stream so we stopped that one. Currently the itchy boy has his own food and the other two eat TOTW. We are going to try EVO's new fish formula soon.

We have found TOTW to be a high quality food, easily digested, and maintains the dogs in good health with shiny coats. We had to feed VERY little of it which surprised us.

I used to feed TOTW High Prairie. Mine loved it and his stools were perfect. The only reason I am not feeding now is because of allergies.

I'm trying it right now and so far so good

we had great results with the salmon version til Kodiak got too hard of stools and had trouble.

I am feeding TOTW Bison/Vension and have good results so far. It does get a good review on dog food analysis, however some don't like it b/c it's made by diamond. Either way, My pup is enjoying it and stools are good.

We made the switch about 3 weeks ago, everyything has been fine and poops have never been better.

You know I wanted to try Taste of the Wild for a long time, but Diamond has now said their suppliers use ethoxyquin in their fish meals (do all the three recipes of TOTW have fish meal in them - I'm being lazy to look). I have such a hang up with ethoxyquin that I can't get past. Does ethoxyquin bother you all?

Nancy

We have been feeding TOTW Salmon for about 8 months and it's doing nicely with my dogs.

Nancy, what the heck is ethoxyquin?

It's a very controversial preservative - some say (a lot say ) it can cause cancer. Others say it is an antioxidant. Because of it's controversy and having a dog die from cancer I'm literally paranoid about anything that could possibly cause cancer so I try to avoid ethoxyquin.

Nancy

It is a pesticide.

http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/factsheets/0003fact.pdf

Yeah, I heard that too. Ugh.

Nancy

My parents feed it and their dogs LOVE it. One of their dogs was having to change foods every couple of weeks because he was getting bored but with TOTW he's been eating the same kind for months now. I can't feed it to my two for the same reason as Nancy, can't get past the nasty 'E' word. My parents truly can't afford to feed expensive food and their other dog has some serious allergies. I suggested they try TOTW incase Lucky Bug is possibly allergic to rice. So far things are going good.

It is a pesticide.

http://www.epa.gov/oppsrrd1/REDs/factsheets/0003fact.pdf

That's a loose term. If you ever buy conventionally grown pears (and in the past, Golden Delicious apples), they too are treated post harvest w/ ethoxyquin as an oiled paper wrap and/or sprayed on the packing line prior to storage for control of "scald" --which is oxidation of the skin. So it falls under that category w/ EPA (you'd be surprised at the list), yes, but mainly because the leftovers must be disposed of appropriately.

IMO, if you are worried about the minute doses of ethoxyquin (used to be very common in all dog foods), I hope you are buying bottled water for yourself and dogs too. But not in those horrible plastic bottles either! :rolleyes: And for gosh sakes, I hope you are not walking your dogs on a city street near any exhaust, and never take them to the city park where they've fertilized (or worse)...

Suffice to say I'm personally much more worried about the obesity I see out there than these issues. Anne

PS, I feed Canidae here and have for 10+ yrs. Very happy with it, and btw, no ethoxyquin.

I feed mine TOTW Salmon. THey like it ok. Sadie is going through a time of not woofing her food down. I don't know.....she lets it stay in her bowl a while. I'm satisfied in how they are doing on it....both have good coats and Sadie is lean...Oscar is Oscar...old and slow....

PS, I feed Canidae here and have for 10+ yrs. Very happy with it, and btw, no ethoxyquin.

Unfortunately, this is not true. Canidae's fish suppliers use ethoxyquin, too. :(

That's a loose term. If you ever buy conventionally grown pears (and in the past, Golden Delicious apples), they too are treated post harvest w/ ethoxyquin as an oiled paper wrap and/or sprayed on the packing line prior to storage for control of "scald" --which is oxidation of the skin. So it falls under that category w/ EPA (you'd be surprised at the list), yes, but mainly because the leftovers must be disposed of appropriately.

IMO, if you are worried about the minute doses of ethoxyquin (used to be very common in all dog foods), I hope you are buying bottled water for yourself and dogs too. But not in those horrible plastic bottles either! :rolleyes: And for gosh sakes, I hope you are not walking your dogs on a city street near any exhaust, and never take them to the city park where they've fertilized (or worse)...

Suffice to say I'm personally much more worried about the obesity I see out there than these issues. Anne

PS, I feed Canidae here and have for 10+ yrs. Very happy with it, and btw, no ethoxyquin.

No one should be losing any sleep over the ethoxyquin issue, but some of us do want to steer away from it if possible because it's one toxin we do have some control over. As you say, the car exhaust fumes, lawn pesticides, etc. are always going to be out there and we can't control the whole outside environment. But I can make choices about what's in my dogs' food, what cleaning products I use in our home, etc. As far as the fruit issue you mention, that's precisely why I buy organic - an attempt to reduce my exposure to pesticides. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, but I try to make choices that fit my perspectives.

Unfortunately, this is not true. Canidae's fish suppliers use ethoxyquin, too. :(

Thought the following might be of interest to you. It's from a web site called swisslickswissies. I can't vouch for all the findings, but it made for interesting reading.

"So, to help you understand why ethoxyquin is such a big deal, Dana Montero, aka the Dog Food Guru, has written today’s guest post.

Ethoxyquin

I have recently been getting a large number of questions regarding a preservative that is sometimes found in commercial dog foods called ethoxyquin or “E”. I would like to take a moment to try to explain to the readers of this blog what ethoxyquin is, the controversy and facts surrounding it, why we don’t want it in our dogs’ food, and what alternatives there are. I will also relay my findings after having personally contacted several dog food manufacturers and verified the use (or not, as the case may be) of ethoxyquin as a preservative in their products.

What is ethoxyquin, exactly?

Ethoxyquin was developed 35 years ago as a rubber stabilizer, has been used as a chemical preservative and is regulated by the FDA as a pesticide. Yes folks, I said pesticide. Scary huh? The FDA recognizes that this chemical has toxic side effects and as such has restricted its use in human foods, allowing for only trace amounts (.5 to 5ppm), yet they continue to allow its use in pet foods. The allowed amount for pet foods is extremely high (150ppm). Ethoxyquin has been linked to liver and kidney problems, cancer, reproductive issues, behavior problems, hemolytic anemia, stillborn pups, birth defects such as cleft palates, and various skin and coat conditions. The developer of ethoxyquin, Monsanto, even made sure that warning labels on containers of this chemical warn workers to wear eye and respiratory protection, and to only handle it with gloves. The container itself features a prominent skull and crossbones sign with the word POISON on it and it is listed as a hazardous chemical by OSHA. Ethoxyquin has also been linked to seizures. A mere 10 drops of this substance is enough to cause convulsions, coma and death.


If ethoxyquin is so bad, why is it used in pet foods?


Ethoxyquin remains stable at very high temperatures and protects fats and oils from becoming rancid. Foods preserved with ethoxyquin have a rather long shelf life and are less expensive to produce than foods using a natural antioxidant as preservatives. Some pet food manufacturers claim that the US Coast Guard REQUIRES them to use ethoxyquin as a preservative in their fish meals. This is not accurate – US Coast Guard regulations require that fish meals be preserved with antioxidants, and specifically name ethoxyquin – UNLESS the manufacturer has a special permit to use other antioxidants.


OK – so ethoxyquin is potentially harmful and we don’t want it in our pets’ food. What other alternatives are there?


Vitamin C, citric acid, Vitamin E (mixed tocopherols) and Naturox are all safe, natural alternatives. Naturox is the brand name for a combination of mixed tocopherols (usually Vitamin E), citric acid, vegetable oil and rosemary extract. The downside to natural preservatives such as those named above is price – they are more expensive to use, and shelf life is shorter. This means producing more batches of dog food more often.


Does my dog food brand contain ethoxyquin?


Pet food manufacturers are not legally required to list ethoxyquin on their labeling unless they add it themselves during processing. This means if their suppliers use it on their crude ingredients before delivery to the processing plant, they are not required to list it on the bag. Note that foods containing FISH, SALMON, OCEAN FISH, MENHADEN, HERRING, WHITEFISH, etc are ethoxyquin free, unless otherwise specified on the packaging, as these ingredients are made from fresh fish. The ingredients that you should be concerned about are fish MEALS (ocean fish meal, herring meal, salmon meal, etc).


I have personally contacted several manufacturers by telephone, fax or email and received responses. If your brand is not listed below, this means that either I have been unable to reach a representative, have not received a response as yet, or have not yet contacted that particular manufacturer. Should you have questions about your brand of food and it is not listed below, feel free to contact me via my website and I will work on getting answers for you."


"Foods confirmed to be ethoxyquin-free:

Innova
Evo
California Naturals
Blue Buffalo
By Nature
Flint River Ranch
Fromm
Merrick
Petcurean
Timberwolf
Wellness
Orijen
Acana
Nature’s Variety
Life’s Abundance
Halo (Spot’s Stew)
Horizon
Pinnacle
Canine Caviar
Eagle Pack
Evangers
Castor & Pollux
Evolve
Nature’s Logic
Grandma Mae’s
Ziwi Peak
Nature’s Logic


Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided):


Diamond
Canidae
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover’s Soul
Solid Gold
Artemis
Taste of the Wild
Iams
Eukanuba
Natural Balance
Hills
Premium Edge
Fosters & Smith
Nutro
Kirkland"

. As far as the fruit issue you mention, that's precisely why I buy organic - an attempt to reduce my exposure to pesticides. I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it, but I try to make choices that fit my perspectives.

Do you know what is sprayed on organically grown produce and what is put on the ground??? :eek: ;)

No really, I work w/ both conventional and organic growers (love em both!), and honestly feel that our produce supply has never been safer. If you only saw all the hoops my clients have to jump thru now, you'd be shocked.

Which reminds me.. I have to go run some tests on some organic Pink Ladys that just came in this afternoon! Anne

Unfortunately, this is not true. Canidae's fish suppliers use ethoxyquin, too. :(

Interesting, but I still won't be losing any sleep over it because I know how much the subject (along w/ so many others involving ag chems) has been blown apart over the years by the media. :(

That's a loose term. If you ever buy conventionally grown pears (and in the past, Golden Delicious apples), they too are treated post harvest w/ ethoxyquin as an oiled paper wrap and/or sprayed on the packing line prior to storage for control of "scald" --which is oxidation of the skin. So it falls under that category w/ EPA (you'd be surprised at the list), yes, but mainly because the leftovers must be disposed of appropriately.



Here is some food for thought. I customer of mine hunts and went out to midwest for just that a few years back. He knows some ranchers, farmers out there. So he was driving with one of the owners through his apple orchard and asked the guy if he could go hunting on his property to knock the deer population down. So the guy says that he used to has a problem with deer but not any more. He tells my customer that they spray so much pesticide on the apples that the deer don't really come around any more. So while my customer was out there on his vaca...he nails a deer and when he had it butchered...they told him it had tumors all in it, but they cut them out so the meat is ok. Yikes!

IMO, if you are worried about the minute doses of ethoxyquin (used to be very common in all dog foods), I hope you are buying bottled water for yourself and dogs too. But not in those horrible plastic bottles either! :rolleyes: And for gosh sakes, I hope you are not walking your dogs on a city street near any exhaust, and never take them to the city park where they've fertilized (or worse)...

Suffice to say I'm personally much more worried about the obesity I see out there than these issues. Anne

PS, I feed Canidae here and have for 10+ yrs. Very happy with it, and btw, no ethoxyquin.

FWIW We do drink filtered water, from a tap filterer, not from plastic bottles! And our dog park is in a wilderness preserve, no fertilizers! I see no harm in taking reasonable precautions. It doesnt take that much effort to pick a food without ethoxyquin and I believe it will be worth it down the road in terms of quality of life and dollars spent at the vet. :2cents: ;)

Thought the following might be of interest to you. It's from a web site called swisslickswissies. I can't vouch for all the findings, but it made for interesting reading.

"So, to help you understand why ethoxyquin is such a big deal, Dana Montero, aka the Dog Food Guru, has written today’s guest post.

Ethoxyquin

I have recently been getting a large number of questions regarding a preservative that is sometimes found in commercial dog foods called ethoxyquin or “E”. I would like to take a moment to try to explain to the readers of this blog what ethoxyquin is, the controversy and facts surrounding it, why we don’t want it in our dogs’ food, and what alternatives there are. I will also relay my findings after having personally contacted several dog food manufacturers and verified the use (or not, as the case may be) of ethoxyquin as a preservative in their products.

What is ethoxyquin, exactly?

Ethoxyquin was developed 35 years ago as a rubber stabilizer, has been used as a chemical preservative and is regulated by the FDA as a pesticide. Yes folks, I said pesticide. Scary huh? The FDA recognizes that this chemical has toxic side effects and as such has restricted its use in human foods, allowing for only trace amounts (.5 to 5ppm), yet they continue to allow its use in pet foods. The allowed amount for pet foods is extremely high (150ppm). Ethoxyquin has been linked to liver and kidney problems, cancer, reproductive issues, behavior problems, hemolytic anemia, stillborn pups, birth defects such as cleft palates, and various skin and coat conditions. The developer of ethoxyquin, Monsanto, even made sure that warning labels on containers of this chemical warn workers to wear eye and respiratory protection, and to only handle it with gloves. The container itself features a prominent skull and crossbones sign with the word POISON on it and it is listed as a hazardous chemical by OSHA. Ethoxyquin has also been linked to seizures. A mere 10 drops of this substance is enough to cause convulsions, coma and death.


If ethoxyquin is so bad, why is it used in pet foods?


Ethoxyquin remains stable at very high temperatures and protects fats and oils from becoming rancid. Foods preserved with ethoxyquin have a rather long shelf life and are less expensive to produce than foods using a natural antioxidant as preservatives. Some pet food manufacturers claim that the US Coast Guard REQUIRES them to use ethoxyquin as a preservative in their fish meals. This is not accurate – US Coast Guard regulations require that fish meals be preserved with antioxidants, and specifically name ethoxyquin – UNLESS the manufacturer has a special permit to use other antioxidants.


OK – so ethoxyquin is potentially harmful and we don’t want it in our pets’ food. What other alternatives are there?


Vitamin C, citric acid, Vitamin E (mixed tocopherols) and Naturox are all safe, natural alternatives. Naturox is the brand name for a combination of mixed tocopherols (usually Vitamin E), citric acid, vegetable oil and rosemary extract. The downside to natural preservatives such as those named above is price – they are more expensive to use, and shelf life is shorter. This means producing more batches of dog food more often.


Does my dog food brand contain ethoxyquin?


Pet food manufacturers are not legally required to list ethoxyquin on their labeling unless they add it themselves during processing. This means if their suppliers use it on their crude ingredients before delivery to the processing plant, they are not required to list it on the bag. Note that foods containing FISH, SALMON, OCEAN FISH, MENHADEN, HERRING, WHITEFISH, etc are ethoxyquin free, unless otherwise specified on the packaging, as these ingredients are made from fresh fish. The ingredients that you should be concerned about are fish MEALS (ocean fish meal, herring meal, salmon meal, etc).


I have personally contacted several manufacturers by telephone, fax or email and received responses. If your brand is not listed below, this means that either I have been unable to reach a representative, have not received a response as yet, or have not yet contacted that particular manufacturer. Should you have questions about your brand of food and it is not listed below, feel free to contact me via my website and I will work on getting answers for you."


"Foods confirmed to be ethoxyquin-free:

Innova
Evo
California Naturals
Blue Buffalo
By Nature
Flint River Ranch
Fromm
Merrick
Petcurean
Timberwolf
Wellness
Orijen
Acana
Nature’s Variety
Life’s Abundance
Halo (Spot’s Stew)
Horizon
Pinnacle
Canine Caviar
Eagle Pack
Evangers
Castor & Pollux
Evolve
Nature’s Logic
Grandma Mae’s
Ziwi Peak
Nature’s Logic


Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided):


Diamond
Canidae
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover’s Soul
Solid Gold
Artemis
Taste of the Wild
Iams
Eukanuba
Natural Balance
Hills
Premium Edge
Fosters & Smith
Nutro
Kirkland"

Funny that you quoted that... I used to know Dana. I can vouch that this is a reliable source. What Dana says is true.

Currently 5 of the 6 dogs at my house are fed a combo of TOTW Prairie and Pacific Formulas (guess which one gets his own, special, food??) and are doing really well on it. We are considering switching to Before Grain, Orijen, or Wellness Core because our local feed stores sell them and I know that they are quality foods. TOTW is made in my area and it is becoming more popular so it is hard to find in feed stores because they typically sell out within hours of receiving a shipment. Availability was never a problem when my roommate was working for them, but he no longer works there.

Jasper loved this food,( Pacific Stream ) then about 3 months ago he started having some licking of the paws issues, did a little process of elimination, ended up being the food, what exactly in the food, I am not sure.

Switched to Wellness Core Ocean, and he is good to go again.

Its a tad pricey, and the only place that carries it, is a round trip of 40 miles for me to get, but not seeing him turn his paws red, is well worth it.

I thought I'd stir the pot a bit just for fun

what is a pesticide - A pesticide is any substance intended to control, destroy, repel, or attract a pest

What do I use as pesticides in my garden -or have tried....

soap and water
garlic and water
hot peppers and water
ladybugs
marigolds

I used to love TOTW... Maxwell likes it, he does well on it.. I love their protein sources. Chunk likes it ( though he likes anything) and he can eat it instead of his usual raw foods without having any digestion issues.

Then I found out their fish meal is preserved with ethoxyquin. They aren't required to put it on the bag since their supplier(s) add it. Unfortunately, all three formulas contain fish meal.

I am done with Taste of the Wild and any product made by Diamond. This includes Artemis, Solid Gold... good on paper, yeah... but why would I feed something with ethoxyquin when there are other options available that don't preserve with it?

I'm upset about it since I really thought TOTW was a good food. :(

I thought I'd stir the pot a bit just for fun

what is a pesticide - A pesticide is any substance intended to control, destroy, repel, or attract a pest

What do I use as pesticides in my garden -or have tried....

soap and water
garlic and water
hot peppers and water
ladybugs
marigolds

But not all pesticides are created equal. The EPA states that workers handling ethoxyquin should wear special kinds of gloves. Probably wouldn't have to do that with "soap and water" pesticides. Also, your above mentioned "pesticides" aren't synthetic (maybe soap excluded) and didn't have to be created by a mega corporation like Monsanto.

I used to love TOTW... Maxwell likes it, he does well on it.. I love their protein sources. Chunk likes it ( though he likes anything) and he can eat it instead of his usual raw foods without having any digestion issues.

Then I found out their fish meal is preserved with ethoxyquin. They aren't required to put it on the bag since their supplier(s) add it. Unfortunately, all three formulas contain fish meal.

I am done with Taste of the Wild and any product made by Diamond. This includes Artemis, Solid Gold... good on paper, yeah... but why would I feed something with ethoxyquin when there are other options available that don't preserve with it?

I'm upset about it since I really thought TOTW was a good food. :(

I can see why you say that. However, I am feeding TOTW High Prarie and I see that the ocean fish meal is way down on the ingredient list. Would this formula have ethoxyquin also? Forgive my ignorance, but will very low doses of this be really harmful? If so, I might switch to another food myself..

Ingredients
Bison, venison, lamb meal, chicken meal, egg product, sweet potatoes, peas, potatoes, canola oil, roasted bison, roasted venison, natural flavor, tomato pomace, ocean fish meal, choline chloride, dried chicory root, tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, yucca schidigera extract, dried fermentation products of Enterococcus faecium, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus casei and Lactobacillus plantarum, dried Trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract, vitamin E supplement, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, potassium iodide, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), manganese proteinate, manganous oxide, ascorbic acid, vitamin A supplement, biotin, calcium pantothenate, manganese sulfate, sodium selenite, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, riboflavin (vitamin B2), vitamin D supplement, folic acid.

I just emailed diamond foods ( TOTW) and told them my concerns about having ethoxyquin in their foods. I got an auto reply saying that one of their veterinarians will be answering my question and getting back to me in no less than 48 hours. I'll be looking forward to hearing what they have to say.
It's got 32% protein and that is attractive for the price on the bag, Abby is very high energy and needs that level of protein and fat.

Chance loves TOTW. I think it is the wetlands formula.

Funny that you quoted that... I used to know Dana. I can vouch that this is a reliable source. What Dana says is true.

The list header, "Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided)" is misleading and not entirely true. There are foods made by companies on that list that do not contain ethoxyquin, Eukanuba is one example, only their prescription foods contain ethoxyquin.

The list header, "Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided)" is misleading and not entirely true. There are foods made by companies on that list that do not contain ethoxyquin, Eukanuba is one example, only their prescription foods contain ethoxyquin.

How can you say that? Eukanuba contains fish meal.

Got the email reply back from the vet and it said: Most of the ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process, requiring other
preservatives to be used. Tests for ethoxyquin are run routinely on Taste of
the Wild products. The results are typically less than 5ppm. The amount
allowed, and considered to be safe, by the FDA is 75ppm. Fish meal is an important ingredient that provides quality amino acids and omega-3 fatty acids.
So, sounds like its still a good food.

Got the email reply back from the vet and it said: Most of the ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process, requiring other
preservatives to be used. Tests for ethoxyquin are run routinely on Taste of
the Wild products. The results are typically less than 5ppm. The amount
allowed, and considered to be safe, by the FDA is 75ppm. Fish meal is an important ingredient that provides quality amino acids and omega-3 fatty acids.
So, sounds like its still a good food.

These are interesting statements we get from these companies. Following is a quote by a new member on this board, Jenlovepets, who identifies herself as an IAMS employee. In the thread about "ethoxyquin and prescription foods" part of her post #12 reads:
Ethoxyquin is a synthetic antioxidant that remains stable at the high temperatures required to process pet foods.

So, we have Diamond saying that ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process; while IAMS/Eukanuba says ethoxyquin remains stable at high temperatures. So, how do we as consumers sort this out?

Got the email reply back from the vet and it said: Most of the ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process, requiring other
preservatives to be used. Tests for ethoxyquin are run routinely on Taste of
the Wild products. The results are typically less than 5ppm. The amount
allowed, and considered to be safe, by the FDA is 75ppm. Fish meal is an important ingredient that provides quality amino acids and omega-3 fatty acids.
So, sounds like its still a good food.

That is what I was told too. The way I look at it is this: yeah, it's 5ppm... but fed over a life time... that seems to me like it would add up.

In the end, it's whatever you feel comfortable with. I MAY, at a later date add TOTW back into our rotation just because Maxwell enjoys it and does well on it... but we will see... and if I do, it'll be fed very sparingly.

So, we have Diamond saying that ethoxyquin is destroyed in the cooking process; while IAMS/Eukanuba says ethoxyquin remains stable at high temperatures. So, how do we as consumers sort this out?
Good question...
It could be companies are going to show support if they see good in it, minimize it if their consumer sees it as bad.

They love TOTW high plains. perfect stools and shiny coats

I feed mine TOTW Salmon. THey like it ok. Sadie is going through a time of not woofing her food down. I don't know.....she lets it stay in her bowl a while. I'm satisfied in how they are doing on it....both have good coats and Sadie is lean...Oscar is Oscar...old and slow....

Mya went through that time, like Sadie, but she never got out of it! I think she just didn't like TOTW which is too bad because it gave her nice firm stools. I liked it for her but she didn't. :(

We tried the salmon when it first came out. They liked it at first but I have picky dogs.

Does anyone remember where dogs came from? these are wild animals. feed them Raw meat. They dont run around the woods looking for cranberries and corn they want DEER and FISH and TURKEY and maybe a DUCK for dessert maybe.

Jasper loved this food,( Pacific Stream ) then about 3 months ago he started having some licking of the paws issues, did a little process of elimination, ended up being the food, what exactly in the food, I am not sure.



This was around the same time period that my three started having issues with TOTW pacific stream. Riley and Devon's ears started up again and Brodie's was paw licking. I had emailed them when I noticed a change in kibble size and colour and was told that they was no change in formula and kibble size-quite a bit smaller and darker-was due to line change in production equipment :rolleyes:
I have switched them all to Purina SSS-one bag and now on to Selects Salmon since there is only a 6 buck price difference at Petsmart-mind you bag size 40 lbs vs 33 lbs makes for a couple of less days but I plan on trying this for a few months- if I do go back to grain-free it will be Ocean Core.

Currently feeding Euk. and after advice from my trainer and reading dog food analyisis.com, I am considering trying Taste of the Wild. Roger is a 8 month old male yellow lab around 72 ish pounds.

New member to this site.

Any recommendations, or advice for me?
Taste of the Wild is good stuff. You might also what to check out Orijen

I don't usually post on these kinds of discussions, but this one is very interesting to me.

Goldberg and Rocky have been on Blue Buffalo Whitefish and Sweet Potato and Wellness Fish and both had chronic diarrhea.

It makes me wonder now... was it the fish or the ethoxyquin???

Either way, I'm happy to read that Fromm, which Rocky is on and Cal Nat, which GB is on do not have it.

Cooper uses it in rotation. No other grain free food comes close to this in price and thats why i like it. he has no issues with any food. i just think he may have allergies so i avoid certain ingredients but he has a rock solid stomach and loves everything