Charlie is completely transitioned to CN lamb and rice. He's doing great. Less poops and so easy to pick up :D (geez, hope I don't jinx him - ha ha). To the CN I add in some Wellness Canned Salmon (grainless and 95% salmon). He gets zippo for veggies. Should he have veggies in his diet? If so, how would I go about doing this?

Nancy

Hi Nancy:
Being omnivores, dogs can survive without vegetables. On the other hand, they are beneficial due to the vitamins, minerals and ruffage they add to the diet. I personally think they would be very beneficial to Charlies diet since CN Lamb and Rice doesn't include any.

I followed Dr. Pitcairn's food guide for awhile for my lab with IBS. He indicates that since veggies are so low calorie, they can be added to almost any diet with little effect on the proportions of the major nutrients.

There are many veggies that should be cooked first so that dogs can digest them properly. However, here are some (I'm only listing a few of the more common ones) of his recommendations for which veggies can be fed raw to your dog:

Chopped parsley
FINELY grated carrots with peel
Finely grated zucchini
Any bell peppers (red, green, orange or yellow)
Peas
Green Beans

Another idea is to get vegetables in the baby food section and add that to his/her food.

I hope this helps.

Janie:o:
http://www.old-dog-treats-and-rawhide.com

I agree with the veggies above, however, the carrots could be whole. My mutt loves carrots. He gets them as treats, and also likes banana and apple.

Great ideas for veggies - thanks.

The baby food idea sounds super easy. And Pinballdoctor I do give Charlie a baby carrot in the morning along with a slice of banana and sometimes apple. It's usually just a piece so that's why I said zippo for veggies. Didn't seem like much.

Thanks for the tips.

Nancy

Dogs digest very little of vegetables. Anything they did digest, might do more harm than good by throwing the careful balance in the dog chow. More vitamins only help if the diet is short of them.

baby carrots for hunter

We actually use veggies as treats a lot of the time, largely because our dog has a laundry list of suspected grain sensitivities so many commercial treats upset his system. I have a list at home of the specific veggies he's not supposed to have per the vet (onion's the only one I remember, but there are several others) but otherwise we offer most anything we're cooking with.

Things he especially likes (all cut up into bite-sized pieces): carrots, kale, chard stems, cauliflower, greens that are crunchy.

We don't generally give him cooked veggies (he doesn't like them much for some reason, though he does get cooked pumpkin if he's sick) but have not had any related problems with digestion that I know of. I imagine some of it may depend on what individual dogs are sensitive to, though.

Dogs digest very little of vegetables. Anything they did digest, might do more harm than good by throwing the careful balance in the dog chow. More vitamins only help if the diet is short of them.


Dogs don't digest the fibre in the vegetables, but then neither do humans.

However, they do benefit from the phytochemicals that are in the veggies, and a diet without supplements is a diet lacking in vitamins.

You know Labman, for being such an expert, your comments are ridiculous.

My answers are based on the practices of a number of service dog schools. Nobody else, but nobody has the resources to determine the best dog training and care practices and the motivation to do so and share what they learn with those such as me that are caring for their dogs.

My comments are ridiculous only to those whose heads are filled with junk science.

My comments are ridiculous only to those whose heads are filled with junk science.
And who are you, Einstein?
but nobody has the resources to determine the best dog training and care practices and the motivation to do so and share what they learn with those such as me that are caring for their dogs.:rolleyes: Oh man, your head is so swelled it's going to pop soon. Now that's a happy thought.

And what about those who raise and train K-9 cops? You're not the only one doing a small part in helping the helpless. Ultimately, the winners are the dogs and those who they assist, not you, Labman!

For the OP, here are 2 links that encourage feeding our dogs fruits and veggies in moderation: http://www.pet-grub.com/appendixA/scene7.pets
http://www.pet-grub.com/appendixA/scene6.pets

Adding a lot of carbohydrates to the diet can have an adverse affect on pH creating an environment that is more suitable for microorganisms to grow.

Occasional fruits and veggies as a treat shouldn't hurt but there is no need to regularly add them.

Insoluble fiber (carrots, green beans, cauliflower, celery etc.) can cause problems in some dogs. ""If the fiber is too highly ferment-able it can increase the frequency of the stools and decrease the absorption of nutrients."

Over-supplementation is more of a problem than being undernourished. (In response to: "...a diet without supplements is a diet lacking in vitamins".)

My answers are based on the practices of a number of service dog schools. Nobody else, but nobody has the resources to determine the best dog training and care practices and the motivation to do so and share what they learn with those such as me that are caring for their dogs.

My comments are ridiculous only to those whose heads are filled with junk science.

Can you please elaborate? Exactly what veterinary school did you graduate from again?????????
"Nobody else, but nobody" man oh man, hate to burst your bubble but you have prescribed some very inaccurate information in some of your posts. I'm sure the scientific people whose heads are filled with junk science will sincerely appreciate your "opinion", LOL.

To the OP, we give occasional veggies to our dogs and again, it is based on moderation. Their favorites are carrots, green beans and broccoli.

[QUOTE=bayril;1964033133]Can you please elaborate? Exactly what veterinary school did you graduate from again?????????
"Nobody else, but nobody" man oh man, hate to burst your bubble but you have prescribed some very inaccurate information in some of your posts. I'm sure the scientific people whose heads are filled with junk science will sincerely appreciate your "opinion", LOL.QUOTE]

Ditto!

My girls love carrots, asparagus stems, brocoli stems, squash. Heck they would eat anything if I let them. :-) All are given in small pcs as treats.

Can you please elaborate? Exactly what veterinary school did you graduate from again?????????
"Nobody else, but nobody" man oh man, hate to burst your bubble but you have prescribed some very inaccurate information in some of your posts. I'm sure the scientific people whose heads are filled with junk science will sincerely appreciate your "opinion", LOL.

Ditto!

My girls love carrots, asparagus stems, brocoli stems, squash. Heck they would eat anything if I let them. :-) All are given in small pcs as treats.

Ditto x2

Tell me Patty, of the thousands of puppies you have bred, how many have you had X-Rayed, and how many have you stayed in touch with their whole life? How many do you replace for free when they are no longer able to be active?

And with all the medical advice you give, which vet school did you graduate from?

http://www.pet-grub.com/appendixA/scene7.pets Who are these people and how much experience do they have?

Tell me Patty, of the thousands of puppies you have bred, how many have you had X-Rayed, and how many have you stayed in touch with their whole life? How many do you replace for free when they are no longer able to be active?

And with all the medical advice you give, which vet school did you graduate from?

http://www.pet-grub.com/appendixA/scene7.pets Who are these people and how much experience do they have?

First off I have no idea what your question has to do with this thread or why you are questioning my ethics as a breeder but I will answer it. I have nothing to hide.

I have not, nor have I ever said I have bred "thousands" of puppies. (I know, I know, the guide dog school has though so that makes them more experienced than anyone in the world.................. yada, yada, yada).

We have x-rayed many believe me and been thru the rough times as many breeders have. In our past lines we had problems with hips and elbows, spayed our bitch (who had all her clearances) as a result, payed for surgery on a pup and refunded money on 3 others. BTW: the co-owner of this bitch (who we purchased her from) did not own up to any of this. It all came out of our pocket. So now go ahead and question my and my families ethics as breeders:tapfoot:

We do not demand someone return their beloved pet and replace it. We refund the price of the pup.

I keep in touch with all my buyers for the life of their dog and no one has reported a dog unable to be active other than from arthritis at very senior years.

As for the link you give, I have no idea who they are, never heard of them. Is this one of those "scientific" links you are always demanding from others?

As for my advice from my experiences "I am not a vet nor do I play one on television". Nor have I ever claimed to be one - go back and read my posts and see how often I tell people to "go to the vet" or "check with your vet". Or how about the many times I say "I have no experience with this but just want to offer prayers for your dog".

I have however taken a vet course at Pace University but unfortunately did not continue my studies to become a "vet".

Its strikes me funny that I agreed with someone's post about you and I am the one you question rather than the OP? Hmmmm......... have a problem with me don't ya? All I can say is too bad - and get over it.

And, get off your soapbox with your guide dog crap. We are all sick of hearing about you as the "ALL EXPERT".

Labman apparently has a high opinion of himself....

http://www.allexperts.com/ep/2374-63144/Labrador-Retrievers/Labman.htm

Housebreaking, chewing, feeding Most medical questions are best handled through a local vet. I try to base my answers on carefully proven methods confirmed by my own experience. Much of what I know about dogs, I have learned raising a puppy every year since 1991 for a large dog guide school. I am familiar with several similar programs. Nobody is in a better position to know dogs, need ones with long, active life, and share what they know, than the service dog schools. In addition I have done extensive reading. My answers have much more to back them than the limited experience any one dog owner can have. PLEASE DON'T SEND ME MEDICAL OR BREEDING QUESTIONS. An internet forum is not the appropriate place for them. Even if I could tell what was wrong from a handful of symptoms, you would still need to get the medications from your local vet. Breeding should be left to those not needing to ask simple, basic questions. Books have been written about it. Rather than ask me a question, start reading. Those unwilling to do the work it takes to produce quality puppies should spay/neuter their pets at 6 months. I will not answer questions that sound like a poorly prepared breeder.

... very interesting!!

Labman apparently has a high opinion of himself....

http://www.allexperts.com/ep/2374-63144/Labrador-Retrievers/Labman.htm



... very interesting!!

Wow :eek:
Ditto

Labman apparently has a high opinion of himself....

http://www.allexperts.com/ep/2374-63144/Labrador-Retrievers/Labman.htm



... very interesting!!

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Wow, I think we have found the first ever "perfect person"

Now everyone, bow and give praise! NOT

Thanks for giving people a good look at my qualifications for giving dog advice. That profile was meant to help people select somebody to ask questions. Every word of it is true.

Oh, I have a life to live, and now the facts are out, I won't waste any more time on this thread.

Everyone please stop. Stop feeding into Labman's ego. Just ignore him and hopefully he'll go away.

Thanks for giving people a good look at my qualifications for giving dog advice. That profile was meant to help people select somebody to ask questions. Every word of it is true.

Oh, I have a life to live, and now the facts are out, I won't waste any more time on this thread.

Maybe not waste your time on the board period!!

QUOTE:

And, get off your soapbox with your guide dog crap. We are all sick of hearing about you as the "ALL EXPERT".

I agree.

QUOTE:

And, get off your soapbox with your guide dog crap. We are all sick of hearing about you as the "ALL EXPERT".

I agree.

I agree as well.

Now now ya'll lets me nice.... he has a website that says he's an expert so it must be so... right? Or is that more of that hidden agenda behind some of these sources he talks about? Hmmmmm :confused:

QUOTE:

And, get off your soapbox with your guide dog crap. We are all sick of hearing about you as the "ALL EXPERT".

I agree.

me too...why does it always have to be an argument with him...

Why do my threads always end up this way? LOL

Nancy

Why do my threads always end up this way? LOL

Nancy

I was thinking the same thing!! :p:

Poor Nancy :(

Why do my threads always end up this way? LOL

Nancy


Not my fault this time 8-))

:floor You guys are gonna give me a complex!!!!!!! :D

Nancy

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