Pet owners: I am just passing along some disturbing news on Iams dog food I read on another site. Please read this link, you may want to reconsider buying this food ever! Thanks for looking.


http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/video.asp?video=iams

Thoughts??????

Just a word of caution, as this is from PETA they are just as dishonest and word manipulating as any dog food company. They would have every animal in the world free they are even against dairy farmers and drinking milk. Radical groups make things "very" one sided for their benefit.
Then again we don't use commercial food, so we don't support Iams/Eukanuba either. :2cents:


Edited to add:
Understanding the basis of a radical group is very educational for everyone and yes they will go to any extreme to find support so although this post may be very sickening, you must remember this is the real world and groups and or people will stoop to the lowest of low to make themselves look good.

If PETA had their way, you wouldn't "own" your pets. I don't believe ANYTHING PETA says. NOTHING. NADA.

Here is Iams response:

Thank you very much for taking the time to forward the link to this horrible web
site. It positively sickens me, and is a gross misrepresentation of The Iams
Company and the research we have conducted! We sincerely appreciate loyal
customers like you who make the effort to investigate the truth about these
horrible accusations. Uncaged Campaigns is an animal rights group in the UK
that has connections with a tabloid in London that "broke" this story on Sunday.
Here is our official response:

An article published by a British tabloid newspaper (Sunday
Express, "Pet Food Cruelty," May 27) contained inaccurate and misleading
information about Iams nutritional studies. The Iams Company is appalled by
these false allegations of animal cruelty.

More than two years ago - well before our acquisition by Procter
& Gamble (P&G) - The Iams Company independently made a firm and binding decision
that we would not consider or sponsor any studies that required the euthanasia
of dogs and cats. We determined that we could continue to make crucial health
advancements without such studies because certain key findings had already been
made, and new alternative research methods had been developed (for example,
advances in MRI technology can now be used to examine the condition of bones and
joints without using invasive procedures).

Early in our efforts to develop nutritional innovations, we
sponsored university and veterinary school research in North America that
identified important questions. The answers to those questions could
potentially save and enhance the lives of millions of dogs and cats, but could
only be determined through studies requiring euthanasia. We exhausted all other
alternatives and made choiceful decisions in our research methodology. In those
few instances, researchers used the minimum number of animals possible, and the
results have benefited dogs and cats world-wide.

For example, our studies of canine and feline kidney disease - a
chronic and fatal illness affecting millions of pets - resulted in new renal
diets that make a significant difference in the lives of dogs and cats with
chronic renal failure. Our research into healthy skeletal development has made
a big difference for large breed dogs, where painful and debilitating
developmental bone problems can occur in up to 40% of puppies.

Despite these facts, the story in the Sunday Express portrayed
our published research findings in a sensational, negative, and misleading way.
The article repeatedly described ordinary veterinary health practices in
unnecessarily horrific terms. For example:

* A skin biopsy - which is a common diagnostic test in both human and
veterinary medicine - was described in the article as "giving the animal chest
wounds."
* Giving an animal a routine vaccination was described as "injecting with
live virus vaccines."

Clearly, this type of language is deceptive and
counterproductive.

Other leading pet food companies sponsor or have sponsored
similar studies to those undertaken by our company. Unlike most of our
competitors, Iams openly presents and publishes our findings (for example,
veterinary conferences, peer-reviewed veterinary journals) so that other
researchers can help improve the health and well-being of dogs and cats, without
repeating research projects.

This raises an important question: If our research has been
presented, published and part of public record for more than ten years - and if
other leading pet food companies sponsor similar studies -- why was The Iams
Company singled out now?

To answer that question, it is important to consider the source
of the allegations: This story appears to have been sparked by Uncaged
Campaigns, a UK-based animal activist organization that has long called for
boycotts of P&G products.

To sum up, our research efforts have always been guided by a
strict code of ethics that exceeds the highest standards established by the
Animal Welfare Act of the US and the US Department of Agriculture. Today, and
in the past, all of our feeding studies have been required to meet very specific
criteria, namely:

* The care of animals is of paramount importance, and animal well-being is
always our top priority.
* The results must help veterinarians and pet owners nutritionally manage
important pet health conditions and give real benefits to dogs and cats
world-wide.
* The studies must be unique, relevant, and truly pioneering - in other
words, no existing research could answer the questions raised.

At Iams, we stand behind our research, and are proud of our
55-year track record of enhancing the well-being of dogs and cats by providing
world-class quality foods. That is our mission, one that we live by every day
in every corner of the company, starting with our Research and Development.

The negative Iams information that is flowing through the Internet right now is
a distorted view of our research. Unfortunately, this type of sensationalism is
at the expense of a company made up of people that are passionate about their
dogs and cats, as well as their company's mission (to enhance the well being of
dogs and cats by providing world-class, quality foods). I wish I could share
with you all the thousands of contacts we've had from dog and cat owners
reporting on the impact our foods have had on their pets' health. My own dog
has experienced terrible allergies that were greatly soothed by feeding her a
Eukanuba Veterinary Diet.

We are truly grateful for the long-term loyalty you have shown Iams Cat Foods.
We hope that we have been helpful in addressing your concerns, but if you have
additional questions, please call us at 800-863-4267 or contact us anytime
through our "Talk to Us" page at www.iams.com .

Sincerely,
Bev, Consumer Relations
The Iams Company

Thank you labby, always nice to have the other sides response.

I battled with of the desicion to change Ebony's food from IAMS (because of things I read on that website) to Kirkland brand. Then I decided that IAMS is really working fine for Ebony, her stool is good, her coat is beautiful, she don't get sick.....so I thought....why mess with something that is not broke.

Serena & Ebony

I have used Iams since we got Hunter, and we love it. Hunter is very healthy and his coat looks absolutely beautiful. It is a little costly, but I guess you get what you pay for.

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If PETA were to actually show some NEW footage, maybe I would believe them that IAMS was up to something. I have seen this same Beagle video a hundred times. I don't recall when I saw it the first time, but it was quite some time.

PETA is plain silly. And what do they get out of putting down a good company? I don't know...attention???:hammer:

Jstar66 - If you view the link, click on the icon "more info" and there is alot of updated substancial evidence. Whether or not you like it, Iams does test on animals. THis is a fact! And perhaps PETA is "silly", call them what you may; extremist, but they are bringing up issues that we, as consumers, have a right to know.

I agree with almost everything you say.

But how can you tell, really, which company does or doesn't do animal testing? How do you know Purina doesn't do it? Because they didn't get caught? Or is it because PETA did not report them yet? come on...

I think Iams is a good company, and this food works great for my growing puppy. He is very healthy, his stool is firm, and his coat is gorgeous.

I say buy the best food you can afford for your dog, and see if it yields positive results.

Long live Iams!

Feeding Iams to your dog is animal cruelty!

:nono:

Iams Lamb and Rice

Ingredients
Lamb Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Grits, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Egg Product, Potassium Chloride, Monosodium Phosphate, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Sodium Hexametaphosphate, Choline Chloride, DL-Methionine, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of vitamin B1), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Riboflavin Supplement (source of vitamin B2), Inositol, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of vitamin B6), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Potassium Iodide, Folic Acid, Cobalt Carbonate


I have to agree thought that PETA and B.Aurthur, Pam Anderson are a little bit WACKO!!!!

Wait a minute...

Are you saying that feeding a hot dog to my doggie is animal cruelty? How about those pig's ears he loves to chew on?

What am I supposed to feed him, vegetables? Wait a minute - that would be veggie cruelty. I guess we'll have to feed them rocks - but that would affect our topography... oh, this is going to be a tough one. :roll2:

I come in peace :)

If IAMS works for your dog, that's what you should feed him/her. Just reading some of the ingredients posted above and I know I could never feed it to my Shepherd -- she has allergies to corn, yeast, and beet pulp:

Iams Lamb and Rice

Ingredients
Lamb Meal, Brewers Rice, Corn Meal, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Ground Whole Grain Barley, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Fish Meal (source of fish oil), Chicken By-Product Meal, Corn Grits, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Natural Chicken Flavor, Dried Egg Product, Potassium Chloride, Monosodium Phosphate, Brewers Dried Yeast...

She'd be itching constantly!! :(

Allergies are one thing, but saying that feeding animal products to our dogs is animal cruelty is simply crazy, and uninformed. Last time I checked my biology book, it said that dogs are carnivor mammals.

I come in peace :)

I've had several animal science and agricultural policy classes discussing these issues while obtaining my Bachelor's degree. Let me first ask how can you determine the nutritional value of a feed without performing scientific tests with constants and variables which include animals? Secondly, lets make good informed decisions about the nutritional health of our animals and leave the inspections up to the unbiased efforts of the USDA.

abbie's momma: I agree completely with your post. Right on!

The AAFCO sets nutrient guidelines for dogs and cats. Each food that lists that they are AAFCO certified can do it in two ways. Analysis only is when the food is tested and the nutrients match the guidelines. The feeding trial is only 6 months long and only 8 dogs are required with no specifications on breed, etc. They are fed ONLY the particular food and if 6 out of 8 live, it is passed.

So really it is not Iams, but the AAFCO that people should boycott? Because I think almost all foods are tested by the AAFCO, probably including every single one that people on here feed their dogs - including the people who want to boycott Iams.

Originally posted by duckbagger
Feeding Iams to your dog is animal cruelty!



Says you. I know many show dogs which are fed Iams and are winning in the ring. While you might not care for it and choose to feed something else, your statement is inflammatory and not correct.

I think that was a joke... but either way, whether or not you think IAMS is cruel depends on what your views are. There is no right or wrong answer, it's just how you feel about it.

Although, giving your dog a vegetarian diet is not only going against nature, but I don't think they'll be getting the nutrients they need. But hey, people could argue that commercialized dog food doesn't give your dog everything they need in the first place :p:

Is this about animal cruelty because they kill animals to feed other animals? Or animal cruelty because you're feeding your dog crappy food? Not specifically saying IAMS is crappy, just dog food in general. I think I got lost somewhere in all that PETA nonsense.

I guess the answer to this whole confusion is: feed your dog the "best" food you can afford.

I would love to have time and COOK all the meals for my dog - this way I'd make sure he gets good, healthy, non-contaminated food. But that could never happen. I can't even cook for myself most of the time... :)

Abbie's Momma - I am not saying anything against/for Iams, but your last comment on leaving inspection up to the USDA.. Oh boy, so many things get inspected and approved by the USDA that I would never let my children eat. What about all the stuff in foods (chemicals, BHT, dye #3, #5) and the list goes on and on... remember the saying ... if you don't understand what the ingredients listed are, don't eat it. Boy, this is probably the case in the majority of foods..

The point is, just because something is FDA, USDA approved, doesn't mean you should eat it or use it.

you know, when I adopted Hunter, the care takers at the humane society told me I should feed Hunter Iams or Eukanuba. Now, don't you think that all these shelters would stay away from Iams and Eukanuba (which by the way are the same company) if this food was so "bad"?

come on... :)

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Originally posted by kt5
Abbie's Momma - I am not saying anything against/for Iams, but your last comment on leaving inspection up to the USDA.. Oh boy, so many things get inspected and approved by the USDA that I would never let my children eat. What about all the stuff in foods (chemicals, BHT, dye #3, #5) and the list goes on and on... remember the saying ... if you don't understand what the ingredients listed are, don't eat it. Boy, this is probably the case in the majority of foods..

The point is, just because something is FDA, USDA approved, doesn't mean you should eat it or use it.

Uh oh, you just debunked the "only feed human grade food" argument..

Oh yeah, I guess I did. We'll leave this for another "post".

too and I got a different response than you did. Here is Iams response to my email to them about animal cruelty:



On behalf of Iams president, Jeffrey P. Ansell, thank you for sharing
your
feelings with us. Please know that even though Jeff is not personally
answering
your message, he is aware of it. And I'm glad you wrote so that I can
update you
on the events that inspired your message.

On March 25, we learned that nutritional studies being conducted for us
at an
independent facility in the U.S. may have violated our company's strict
research
policy. On March 26, we completed an unannounced visit of the facility
to review
procedures and ensure the well-being of dogs and cats at the site.

On March 27, we concluded that the facility did not meet our strict
standards
regarding air temperature, ventilation, resting beds, and socialization
(even
though the facility recently passed U.S. government inspections). We
made the
decision to end all research at the facility.

In addition, we worked with the facility to relocate Fifi, Maisy,
Mickey, and
the 16 other dogs to an Iams animal care center. We have an established
program
for socialization and employee adoption that will give these dogs the
opportunity for a successful transition to a family.

On April 10, we met with PETA to look over the facts and to share our
plan for
the review of our contract research facilities.

We have now completed comprehensive reviews of all external facilities
involved
in dog and cat nutritional studies for Iams. This was a major effort
which
included Iams researchers, P&G veterinarians, non-technical Iams
employees who
served as the "eyes and ears" of our consumers, and where possible,
independent
animal welfare experts.

All of the facilities reviewed comply with government regulations, and
the
health of the dogs and cats is not at risk. However, we've decided to
consolidate our nutritional studies at fewer contract facilities, and
we will
focus more on the implementation of our high standards for dog and cat
care.

Also, we are establishing an Independent Animal Care Advisory Board
which will
be in place and active by July 15. Its role will be to:

1. Actively review external facility compliance with the Iams research
policy.
2. Participate in random unannounced inspections of external sites.
3. Critically evaluate our research policy and bring new ideas to
enhance
animal well being.
4. Evaluate our animal care program to ensure the health and well being
of
dogs and cats This evaluation will include site visits to Iams
facilities.

If you would like to read about our research policy in more detail, it
is posted
on our website at:
www.iams.com/en_US/jhtmls/faq/sw_Faq_detail.jhtml?questionid=167&brandcode=I&loc
aleid=en_US&pagetypeid=FQ
<http://www.iams.com/en_US/jhtmls/faq/sw_Faq_detail.jhtml?questionid=167&brandco
de=I&localeid=en_US&pagetypeid=FQ> (or go to www.iamsco.com
<http://www.iamsco.com> and access this document through the
horizontal
navigation bar by clicking onto News/Stories.)

We want to advance scientific understanding of how nutrition can help
dogs and
cats to live long, healthy lives. We only conduct research with dogs
and cats
that is equivalent to nutritional or medical studies acceptable on
people. We
are deeply committed to dog and cat well being, and our research policy
reflects
that commitment.

Thank you again for contacting us with your feedback, and for giving us
the
opportunity to respond. If you have further questions or concerns,
please write
back to me. We will also be updating the information on our company web
site at
www.iamsco.com, when we have more to report.

Sincerely,
Cindy Achor
Group Manager
Iams Consumer Care

animals get treated well at all any research facility. Can you imagine our beloved labs being locked up in a cage for all the time. I'm not a PETA member and I don't agree with all of their views. According to the response that I received one of the facility got caught for animal cruelty. I'm sure there are many others that are doing the same but since most people don't care about what does on behind closed door they don't worry about anything.

Anyway, Iams is just costly junk food. I do not feed my dog any grocery store brand. There are some dog food company that don't do research on animals, such as Solid Gold. Solid Gold is one of the best food out there for dogs and cats. Any food that list by-products, corn, bha and few other things on the ingredient list should be avoided. Corn is a cheap filler and an ingredient that caused allergy's.

I may tick lots of people off when I say this, BUT the USDA is payed for by your tax dollars, (if you live in US), so if you don't like the job they are doing, contact your Congressional representatives and tell them about it! So many people believe so many things that groups put out that have NOT been scientifically proven in a proven lab over the course of many consistent studies that the average citizen doesn't know who to believe. Let me say this, no matter where you are in North America, you live in a democratic society where you have the liberty to feed your pets anything you please. Please research for your self before taking someone's word for it.

Kt5, if you have a plan for testing every food item, health care item, etc, for all people and animals in the US that would be 100% effective in unapproving any and all carcinogens or unhealthy products, please contact your federal government. I personally believe that for the mass amount of products available in our markets, the USDA/FDA does a very good job.

I'm not trying to be snide in my remarks, I am very sensitive when it comes to discussions about radical groups, etc. I strongly believe in the fact that the USA has the safest, cheapest, and largest food supply in the world. We should be appreciative of that and commend those that are the reason for it.

I think some of you are too quick to declare that Iams is "junk".

I'll tell you, there are thousands of dog and cat owners, like myself, that feed Iams to their pets, and their pets are very happy and more importantly very healthy.

My Hunter is in perfect health, his coat is gorgeous, he's got lots of energy, his stool is firm, and he is a very happy dog.

I THANK IAMS FOR THAT, because that is the only type of food I have been feeding my puppy since I got him six months ago. It works for us!

your choice to feed your dog whatever you want. Iams may be working great for you and dog right now. It is important to know what the ingredient on the bag means. Here are some links that may help you understand why Iams is not the best food.

http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm

http://www.hua.org/food.html

http://groups.msn.com/TheFineK9/what39sreallyindogfood.msnw



abbie's momma: I do like your idea of contacting the congrassional rep. One thing I noticed is that no matter how much people love their pets they do look the other way when animal cruelty is questioned. USDA/FDA is doing a good job when people are concerned.

Some of the things people are saying on this post are plain silly, I think.

Of course, everybody claims that "their" dog food is the best and the safest. That statement itself, dear friends, is "junk".

I got a couple of comments here.

1. I am sure some of the ingredients in most dog food brands are seen as potentially harmful. But when is the last time you looked on the back of you Pepsi can, or the the back of your soup can? Does anybody in here shop at Whole Foods exclusively? I don't... Is everybody here eating a perfectly healthy diet? I don't think so.

If we did what some of you are saying, we'd have to grow our own vegetables, raise our own chickens and cows (for meat and milk) and dig holes in our yards until we get to a spring of "clean" water.

2. You need to look at the sources of your documentation. Who is writing those things online? Is it PETA people, who say we should not kill poisonous rodents? Or could it be some company who is trying to get you to buy "better", "healthier" foods, which might be their own brand?...

3. I don't know if I would feed my dog a type of food that has not been tested on other dogs. I know it sounds kind of mean, but I would like to know for sure if it is safe - and that is what Iams is trying to do. That is actually very humane, I think. I would just hope that the testing is done in a safe environment.

allright, that's enough.

None of the links I've posted are by PETA. There are contact info on all of the links. The first link actually has resources at the bottom. The second link is from the Hearts United sanctuary and the third has a name of a vet and his phone number.
These links are also not by any dog food manufacterer.

Like I said before USDA does a good job when people are concerned. When people are harmed by certain product, everyone raises hail, which makes the human food manufacturer to do the best job possible. Like yourself there are many people who don't think twice before buying pet product because they believe the commercals and offcourse USDA is doing a good job. Feed you pets whatever you want. I have my reasons for not buying grocery store brand. I've given my dog spoonfull of corn that I cooked and she didn't digest a single corm. Corn has some good nutritional value but the dogs has to digest it well to get the nutritions from it.

allright - I'll take you up on this. I'm going to go check those sites right now.

Abbies momma - I am not saying the USDA/FDA does a poor job. I am simply saying just because certain things get approved doesn't mean one should automatically think the items are okay. YOu must be your own advocate and decide what works for your animals/family. There are many chooses available and we must be educated consumers.

Florentin, For the record, I do read all the labels when I buy food (don't you)? I want to know what I am putting in my families bodies and my pets as well. If you don't, you should! American has one of the highest obesity rates in the world and the cancer rate is sky rocket (perhaps from the american diets and all the "junk" found in the foods we eat - this could be one contributing factor) ). AND, I do read the labels to soups. But then again, I don't eat alot of soup on the market because that is not the best thing to eat either. I am not being snide, but I just feel people should be more vigilient in looking at the ingredients in the food they put in their mouths. Afterall, isn't that why the FDA/USDA put the labels on them in the first place? So we could all make conscious and smart chooses!

Kt5, we agree on everyone making their own choices. I live in the South, so I see the obesity problem everyday, I myself am not obese, but several in my family are. There are so many reasons for obesity problems, I just don't have time to go into that, so I'll spare everyone my opinion on that too!

It's always good to have good healthy discussions!:)

allright, this is getting REALLY silly now.

I don't need a lesson in self-nutrition here... All I am saying is that people at the grocery store buy foods they can afford and foods their families enjoy eating. You can stop ten people at the store and ask them if they read the labels on their purchases. I'd be surprised if more than 2 would say YES truthfully.

I did check out thos sites that were mentioned here. I do agree with many things they are saying, but again, they are asking for something that can't be done: "a perfect diet". They claim to know what the "perfect" diet is. And by the way, they do tell you which foods are "the best for your dog" and suggest you switch to these right away. Go figure :rolleyes:

I'm all for healthy diets for our families and our pets. But some of the things people are talking about are just crazy. I mean, last night I fried some Italian sausage, and had it with some mashed potatoes. Now, you would say that I should not have that because it has too much fat, and it is probably filled with cholesterol. I even gave my dog some - oh my gosh, what a crime.

If people lived the way some of you say it should be done, we should all move into the mountains, grow our own veggies, raise our own animals for meat and milk, and since we're up there anyways we might as well become monks:pope

I still think Iams is good. Just because a company "claims" to make "better" food than another, it doesn't mean it is true. What a cheap way to promote a product.

I come in peace :)

Unfortunately Floretin, you are probably right, that most Americans don't care enough or are too busy to read ingredients on labels. Fortunately, for my family, we eat extremely healthy and eat alot of whole, organic foods. This is just my decision and my beliefs.

And no.........you don't have to eat like mountaineers and live in the wild, if you look around there is alot of available healthy choices out there!!


Anyways, yes this is a healthy discussion and everyone here has some valid point. THis is what make a forum interestin.

allright kt5: would you do me a favor? :)

Could you describe for me a dinner your family would have? What would you have? Please describe each course. Also, please tell me what your dog will have, including table scraps, if any :) (I do not feed table scraps - not really, unless it's a piece of steak).

thank you

oh wait: please be honest :)

Please don't start debating over organic, I might have to get involved!:D

I can't help it, I'm an aggie living in the middle of the 3rd largest rice producing area in the world. Oh yeah, we grow alot of cotton, corn, soybeans, and wheat too.

kt5: I am waiting for your reply. :)

Florentin - okay here goes:

First off, I do not shop exclusively at Whole Foods (way too expensive). HAve you ever tried Trader Joes? I am sure all their foods aren't totally organic, etc. but you'll find alot of decent whole foods, no chemicals, or preservatives added. This is just a side thought. BUT, alot of my food is bought here.

So........ for a fast dinner, we eat alot of:

- seafood from Trader Joes. The kids love their chicken fingers and fish stick too. They have TONS of great frozen entrees.

- Brown rice with mixed veggies and black beans (or whatever beans I have). Sometime I throw in sauteed chicken. Side salad also.

- Ground turkey burgers. I make these just like regular burger. OR boca burgers, veggies burger, etc. Trader Joes fries.

- Pasta with mixed veggies, parmesian cheese.

- pasta with spaghtetti sauce side salad

- Homeade chicken soups, black beans or veggie soups with side salad and whole wheat breads.

For breakfast my kids eat:

Kashi cereals, cheerios raisin bran ( I try not to buy cereal with all that sugar)

Whole wheat waffles, pancakes

fresh eggs I get from a local farm in my area

My dogs eat: No table scraps (sometime though for a snack, bananas, Kong toy with peanut butter, or other fruits). My dogs (I have a cocker spaniel who is 4 and my new pup, lab who is 8 weeks) they eat California Naturals...

You're probably wondering how my kids eat all this stuff... Well I just have always feed them this way. We lived oversees for awhile and everything we ate their was from scratch or foods that didn't have alot of chemicals in them. We have just choosen to live this life style. Is it more time consuming? Not really, as there are alot of good foods becoming more available.

kt5: you know, your menu actually sounds very delicious.

We enjoy a lot of home made foods also, like home made chicken soup (my wife makes the best one... :))

It still is hard to eat this way though. But we should try... :)

Can we come over for dinner one night? :) I promise I won't ask for my diet coke, with all those chemicals in it...:D

Florentin -

I see you are from Hoffman Estates.
For your information There are several Trader Joes in the area: Lake Zurich, Glen Ellyn, Naperville .......if you are near any of these. Check them out!!

oh come on... I barely have time to put gas in my car - I have to "travel" now to buy groceries? :rolleyes:

I was wondering, what do you feed your dog? :)

Oh, I didn't realize you weren't near these stores.
I am not from Illinois originally.

I feed my dogs California Naturals.

What about you??

what do you mean, silly? This whole argument started because I told on this post that I feed Iams, and am happy with it.:D

where do you get your dog food and how much does it cost?

Oh yes, I forgot what this post is really about, we all get so side track...

It cost $22.59 for a 20 lb. I am sure this is not cheap, how much is Iams?

I buy this at Woodstock Farm Store (they have many kinds of different foods).

I usually buy 40 lbs bags, to save a little. I pay about $28. Hunter goes through one of those bags in about six to eight weeks.

Florentin,

How old is your dog? How much does he weigh? Pictures?? By the way, I have a Hunter also. This is my cocker spaniel. My new dog is Wrigley after Wrigley Field!

Laborador get really large, right?????????????????

My dog is eight months old. He is a lab mix. I did not weigh him in a while. This pick is at least one month old, so he was about six months old.


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I gotta go now. I'll talk to you tomorrow. Bye.

hi all
boy this discussion has goten out of control. i went to peta website and it was awful i cried like a baby. the only thing i have to say about it is that they should concentrate more on helping our shelter babies find homes as well as helping with not using animals as lab specimens. it happens everyday. from the make up we use to the shampoo we wash our hair with. its terrible to see this happen but i think things get blown out of porportion sometimes. i feed bud iams large breed puppy food and his vet has told me that he is absolutely perfect in everyway. from his coat down to his stool. i also feed iams to my cats as well. the hairball formula keeps me from taking them to the vet all the time and buying that expensive fur ball remover stuff which has stuff in it i cant even say.
just thought i would put my 2 cents in.
happy holidays to everyone
michelle & bud :brow:

I feel the same way about Iams, like I stated before. Based on real results, it is the best food for my puppy right now.