What do you think about this food? Is it good? Can a dog stay on a fish based day in and day out? Below are the ingredients.

Thoughts? Concerns?

Ingredients
Salmon, brown rice, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), oat meal, canola meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), pearled barley, dried egg product, brewers dried yeast, natural flavor, potassium chloride, salt, dried sweet potatoes, blueberry pomace, dried tomatoes, Vitamin E Supplement, zinc proteinate, salt, choline chloride, manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), niacin, copper proteinate, calcium carbonate, Vitamin A Supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, garlic oil, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite.

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (Min) 27.0%, Crude Fat (Min) 17.0%, Crude Fiber (Max) 4.0%, Moisture (Max) 12.0%, Linoleic Acid (Min) 1.5%, Calcium (Ca) (Min) 1.0%, Phosphorus (P) (Min) 0.9%, Vitamin A (Min) 15,000 IU/kg, Vitamin E (Min) 460 IU/kg, Ascorbic Acid** (Min) 70 mg/kg, Docosahexaenoic Acid (DHA)** (Min) 0.25%, Eicosapentaenoic Acid (EPA)** (Min) 0.25%, Glucosamine** (Min) 550 ppm, Glutamine** (Min) 1.0%, Omega-3 Fatty Acids** (Min) 0.75%, Omega-6 Fatty Acids** (Min) 1.75%

The ingredients don't look to bad for a Purina product. At least their is no CORN in the food which is a good thing.

The only concern most people have about feeding fish based food is if the preservative Ethoxyquin is used. The manufacturer sometimes does NOT add this to the food, but the supplier of the fish may add it. So you have to find out from Purina if this preservative is used.

You may also want to use this food in a rotation diet for your dog(s). Like every third bag feed this.

Personally, if your dog does not have any allergies, sensitivities or intolerances, I would feed a more diverse protein meat based food.

I don't think a long term fish diet is bad for an adult dog. We feed that food, but then again, mine also get a little canned (usually lamb or chicken) or whatever meat we have leftover in the house.

Maddy does well on this food. Eliminated alot of bad gas once she transitioned to this.

I fed that to my brother's Beagle with great success. ;)

My aunt's goldens ate this for a short time with good results, but then they started vomiting on and off for several weeks.

She switched back to her Canidae that she was feeding before, and all has been fine.

Iingredients dont look bad, but I would want a guarantee that the fish meal is NOT preserved with Ethoxiquin, which has been cancer causing. I would not want to feed any food with a possible cancer causing preservative to a breed already HIGHLY prone to cancer.

I feed the fish version of PP Selects and the beef formula...I am very happy with the results. I have also fed the Pro Plan Sensitive Skin and Stomach formula and the only thing is that they have more waste with the regular PP food than the PP Selects.
I plan on trying their turkey formula next time around, I have never been more satisfied with how my dogs are looking and behaving than on this food. I never thought I'd be saying that about Purina!
I've tried many (more than a dozen) different foods over the years, most of them super premium, and I just can't say anything bad about the PP Selects.

I just checked the price of this food at Petco and actually is slightly pricier than Innova! Pro Plan Selects Natual Salmon and Brown Rice 33 lbs. $51.99
Innova Adult (Green Bag) 30 lbs. $45

If I can find the Pro Plan cheaper I think I will put it in a rotation with the Innova. I also have to check if Ethoxyquin is used in the fish.

I have been feeding this to mine for almost two years. I started mixing it with the chicken and rice formula because they were starting to act bored with the same ole food. Lacy no longer has the bad gas she once had and Amber's is slowly going away. All of their coats are shiny. I purchased it a Petco and have found that if you sign up for their rewards card you will get coupons in the mail. I have yet to pay full price for a bag and with every ten bags purchased they send me a coupon for a free bag. So every few months I get the large bag free.

The only negative thing about the first couple ingredients, is the salmon is listed as just *salmon*, not salmon meal. Which, once you remove the moisture content from the meat, then the brown rice becomes the first ingredient.

That said, this food is primarily rice-based....for a steep price. If it was half the cost of a food with meat as the first 2-3 ingredients, I'd say go for it. But to actually be as expensive as Bear noted, that's a high price to pay for mostly rice.

The only negative thing about the first couple ingredients, is the salmon is listed as just *salmon*, not salmon meal. Which, once you remove the moisture content from the meat, then the brown rice becomes the first ingredient.

That said, this food is primarily rice-based....for a steep price. If it was half the cost of a food with meat as the first 2-3 ingredients, I'd say go for it. But to actually be as expensive as Bear noted, that's a high price to pay for mostly rice.


Good point Woofie, never took that into consideration about the "meal" versus "non-meal"...

I really would like to add some fish-based dry food to my dogs diet, guess will keep looking. They go ga-ga over canned Salmon, so a salmon based dry food mixed in with the Innova would be great.

This is similar to Nutro does with its rice formulas, chicken and rice, and lamb and rice. They break down the fractions of rice into indiviual ingredients, whole rice, rice bran, etc. So actually if you add up all the fractions of rice the food is rice-based with some lamb or chicken added.

If anyone finds out about the ethoxyquin in it please let me know. I know I called Purina and never got a yes it is used by our suppliers or no it is not. I tend to think it is used by their suppliers, but don't know for sure.

Nancy

What animal does that Fat come from..wouldn't it be nice to know the source of 17 % of the diet ?

Almost all fish meals used by the giants contain Ethoxyquin from the original vendor....

Personally..I stay away from any company that chooses to put un-named ingredients in their top of the line products.....It means one thing...They put profit over the health of your Pet...

This a company being run by the Bean-counters...:D

You're gonna get flamed Pete LOL

Nancy

You're gonna get flamed Pete LOL

Nancy

Maybe, but he speaks the truth...

Nestle owns Purina where stockholders come first..:2cents:

Oh boy - here we go again. I was kidding!!!!!!!

Nancy

You're gonna get flamed Pete LOL

Nancy

:goodbad:

Information is power....what does un-named mean....Roadkill? To me it does....or rodents picked up and sent to a renderer....full of rat poison...

don't you think if it was a quality ingredient they would put a name to it ? because they knew what it was....

Biggest question is why is the FDA allowing this....we should by law know what we are buying....:confused:

RC is on PP sensitive skin and stomach (bearsowner , no corn either) plan on adding the PP select next time. I have never tried Purina product until Sept of this year,RC is doing great, I too over the years have tried many foods ( so called premium, super premium) , did not work.

RC is doing great on PP and I am sure he will on the select also. I will get the salmon formula in the select line, fish formula seems to work the best for RC so that is what I will be sticking with.

kathy

Our girls are on the regular PP Sensitive and doing great! Energy is good, eyes sparkling, coats are great, poos are small & firm (no matter what treats they're given), and no gas! The ingredients are very similar to the Selects formula so I just can't fathom spending the extra for the Selects right now. I get the PP at Fleet Farm for $37 ($33 or $34 on sale). Some Fleet Farms don't carry the SSS formula but will start to stock it if there's enough requests- that's what happened at my FF store as there's several Kennel Club & Retriever Club members who feed it and enjoy the savings (vs. Petco $47 or Petsmart $40);). Good luck!

Our girls are on the regular PP Sensitive and doing great! Energy is good, eyes sparkling, coats are great, poos are small & firm (no matter what treats they're given), and no gas!

This is what I have found with RC also since he has been on PPSS :smile:

kathy

What do you think about this food? Is it good? Can a dog stay on a fish based day in and day out?

From an ingredient standpoint, the one thing that would make me not choose to try this formula is the unnamed animal fat. For my comfort level that leaves open too many unanswered questions - for other people it's not an issue.

Many dogs probably have done well eating a fish-based diet day in and day out. Again, I would choose not to do it because I believe in the benefits of rotation feeding. When choosing fish, I try to be especially careful in finding out about the sourcing and preservation of it.

Well the current food Baxter is on now, he is still itching and the paw chewing is even worse. The owner at the holistic pet store said to try a fish based food. she gave me samples of taste of the wild, orijen, and Fromm.

:goodbad:

Information is power....what does un-named mean....Roadkill? To me it does....or rodents picked up and sent to a renderer....full of rat poison...

don't you think if it was a quality ingredient they would put a name to it ? because they knew what it was....

Biggest question is why is the FDA allowing this....we should by law know what we are buying....:confused:

Uplander..I do not have a personal problem with your "observations"...but, do you honestly believe that any company would find it cost effective to pay people to pick up roadkill and poisoned rodents and use their rendered bodies for an ingredient in their foods?

I have spoken at length with the president of a dog food company,whose food I have fed with good results, and she explained a great many things to me about the manufacturing of commercial pet foods. One of the questions I had was specifically regarding un-named meat and fat sources. She told me that the reason the ingredients are unamed, i.e. meat and bone meal, poultry meal, animal fat, etc. is because it gives the manufacturer freedom to use different sources of regularily used farm animals. Steer, Pig, Turkey, and Chicken. Yes, they most likely contain by-products of these animals, but to pay someone to pick up raod kill and poisoned rodents would not be cost effective. She does not used unnamed meat or fat sources in her foods, but she does not condemn the use.

I would be happy to supply you with her contact information if you would like to speak with her yourself.

Additionally, I live in a rural area that unfortunately, frequently has a high rate of road kill. Mostly deer, but also coyote, bobcat, badger, fox and wild boar. I have witnessed the road workers hauling the bodies off of the road and into the brush for the buzzards to finish off. They do not haul them off to a rendering plant.

I love Satch! He's a most impressive looking dog and I applaud your dedication to him and his well being...but please don't push your opinions regarding dog food ingredients as facts.

I am surprised no one has mentioned the menadione in this food. Assuming I approved of all other ingredients (which I do not), I wouldn't feed this because of the menadione.

Menadione has been linked to liver problems, neurological problems, hemolytic anemia and even death. It's also banned by the FDA.

I am surprised no one has mentioned the menadione in this food. Assuming I approved of all other ingredients (which I do not), I wouldn't feed this because of the menadione.

Menadione has been linked to liver problems, neurological problems, hemolytic anemia and even death. It's also banned by the FDA.

I agree 100% Pyr about the menadione.

However, sometimes on this board, it's much easier just to agree with everyone rather then point particular items out. When certain ingredients are pointed out as being a potential *not so good* item, suddenly everyone's in an uproar, and then the argument about Natura products versus Purina, etc comes about.

Even when there are plenty of other excellent food choices that do not contain Menadione nor have any affiliation with Natura products.

Well the current food Baxter is on now, he is still itching and the paw chewing is even worse. The owner at the holistic pet store said to try a fish based food. she gave me samples of taste of the wild, orijen, and Fromm.

I just stuck me...you are currently feeding California Natural. Maybe it would be good to try their Herring and Sweet Potato formula and see what happens?

Is it good? Can a dog stay on a fish based day in and day out?

Yes and Yes.

What do you think about this food? Is it good? Can a dog stay on a fish based day in and day out? Below are the ingredients.

Thoughts? Concerns?




You want some good advice, stay away from Purina products. They may make some good dog food, but remember they are owned by Nestle, a huge conglomerate whose only purpose is to keep their stockholders happy, they could care less about your dog.

Saying that, there are so many private and some family owned dog food companies out there the choice is almost endless.

Natura, Fromm, Orijen and Acana just to name a few, independent companies that make top of line, premium and super premium dog foods that your dog will thrive on. All these foods are corn, wheat and soy free.

Natura makes a food called EVO. One of their new products is EVO Herring and Salmon. The ingredient list is minimal and is mostly comprised of the fish. You can rotate this food with California Natural Herring and Sweet Potato.

Fromm also makes a few fish based foods, I have a thread on here that will take you the fish formulas they make.

Labs who lived in Labrador and helped the fisherman bring in those nets ate fish day in and day out.

What do you think about this food? Is it good? Can a dog stay on a fish based day in and day out? Below are the ingredients.

Thoughts? Concerns?



I used PP Sensitive Skin and Stomach formula with my old golden retriever her final year. Similar to the select. She loved it and did well on it. Megaesophagus disease took her down unfortunately. But I would have no problem recommending something similar with Purina. Yes, a big company but they have been around for years, unlike some of the newer designer dog food companies. So I think that is an asset, not a liability. ;)

You want some good advice, stay away from Purina products. They may make some good dog food, but remember they are owned by Nestle, a huge conglomerate whose only purpose is to keep their stockholders happy, they could care less about your dog.


This is why they spend millions each year on research and feeding trials? The same research and feeding trials that other dog food companies use to formulate their foods?

Natura, and most other companies, don't do feeding trials on actual dogs. They formula a product in the lab and consider it edible to dogs if it meets certain criteria based on what other companies have researched.

When the big recall happened a couple of years ago, ProPlan was one of the very few foods that was not recalled. ProPlan has never been recalled. Natura's Innova has been.

Your statements are getting more and more ridiculous. You need to do better research before you type such nonsense.

I had a Lab live to 16 1/2 years of age. What did she eat? ProPlan.

When the big recall happened a couple of years ago, ProPlan was one of the very few foods that was not recalled. ProPlan has never been recalled. Natura's Innova has been.



I usually don't reply to nonsensical questions or down right untruths.

Let me put it plainly, NO NATURA PRODUCT, INCLUDING INNOVA WERE EVER PART OF ANY RECALL AT ANYTIME.

And to quote you in reference to YOUR post:

Your statements are getting more and more ridiculous. You need to do better research before you type such nonsense.

Here: http://hubpages.com/hub/Purina_Pet_Food_Recall_Information

You got to love the comment section...:D


Verrrryyy interesting:

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/436/1/Purina-Pet-Food-Animal-By-Product-Lawsuit-Filed/Page1.html

This is why they spend millions each year on research and feeding trials? The same research and feeding trials that other dog food companies use to formulate their foods?

Natura, and most other companies, don't do feeding trials on actual dogs. They formula a product in the lab and consider it edible to dogs if it meets certain criteria based on what other companies have researched.

When the big recall happened a couple of years ago, ProPlan was one of the very few foods that was not recalled. ProPlan has never been recalled. Natura's Innova has been.

Your statements are getting more and more ridiculous. You need to do better research before you type such nonsense.
... My goodness gracious.... are you confusing Nutro to Natura....people do that all the time....

Fact....no Innova was ever re-called...

Fact ...Natura has the The Belfield Center , named after Dr.Wendell Belfield, a co founder of the company does do testing on their pet food including feeding trials....http://www.belfield.com/about.php

Fact...Purina had many items re-called and most likely the Pro Plan was tainted too..seeing they love the fact they use China ingredients...

What an insult to the most respected company in America's pet Food Industry...and Bold Face Lies.or just a mistake...:tapfoot:

Certifications Natura has....http://www.naturapet.com/about-natura/manufacturing.asp

show me Pro Plans certifications....:flypig:

just some of the Foods made by Natura that have been feed trialed:

Animal feeding tests using AAFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials) procedures substantiate that Innova Adult Dog Food provides complete and balanced nutrition for all life stages.

Animal feeding tests using AAFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials) procedures substantiate that California Natural Lamb Meal & Rice Adult Dry Dog Food provides complete and balanced nutrition for all life stages.

Animal feeding tests using AAFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials) procedures substantiate that EVO Turkey & Chicken Formula dog food provides complete and balanced nutrition for all life stages.

After reading few posts I guess I better run out and get RC some Natura pet food or Fromm oh maybe Orijen. Does anyone want to help with the vet bills? RC will be at the vets if he tries those foods again with a yeast overgrowth.

Have already tried the foods that are suggested sometimes yelled at that you want to be fed instead of the food that is working for RC . I do not appreciate receiving the message that I am wrong for feeding a food that is working. His yeast is under control, skin in terrific condition along with coat and eyes and energy.

As far as Innova in 2007 samples were sent to Expertox out of texas and acetaminophen and cyanuric acid tested positive.

http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/lab.html

the results fro expertox

http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/donna.pdf

here is expertox link

http://www.expertox.com/

I realize this was an independent testing of Innova from a customer but the results are still posted

Good night

kathy
Oh yes this was from today (beautiful day to be outside) on our way to our woods.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2485/4084756828_b5ba68c2f2.jpg

Have already tried the foods that are suggested sometimes yelled at that you want to be fed instead of the food that is working for RC . I do not appreciate receiving the message that I am wrong for feeding a food that is working. His yeast is under control, skin in terrific condition along with coat and eyes and energy.

kathy
Oh yes this was from today (beautiful day to be outside) on our way to our woods.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2485/4084756828_b5ba68c2f2.jpg

If the Natura products are not working, your dog must have a screwed up digestive system. No 2 ways about it.;) That's the cult like thinking among some. :p: Beautiful pic!

As one very distinguised person once said, "Forgive them father for they know not what they do"...

Oh well and yet another, " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.."

The End

After reading few posts I guess I better run out and get RC some Natura pet food or Fromm oh maybe Orijen. Does anyone want to help with the vet bills? RC will be at the vets if he tries those foods again with a yeast overgrowth.

Have already tried the foods that are suggested sometimes yelled at that you want to be fed instead of the food that is working for RC . I do not appreciate receiving the message that I am wrong for feeding a food that is working. His yeast is under control, skin in terrific condition along with coat and eyes and energy.

As far as Innova in 2007 samples were sent to Expertox out of texas and acetaminophen and cyanuric acid tested positive.

http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/lab.html

the results fro expertox

http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/donna.pdf

here is expertox link

http://www.expertox.com/

I realize this was an independent testing of Innova from a customer but the results are still posted

Good night

kathy
Oh yes this was from today (beautiful day to be outside) on our way to our woods.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2485/4084756828_b5ba68c2f2.jpg


This was NOT a recall by the The Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. From the source I read about this there were about 3 or 4 pieces of kibble that were sent for testing to this private lab. Innova or any other Natura product was ever recalled by the The Food and Drug Administration and the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The more I read these posts with the dog food wars, the more I believe it isn't even about dog food any more. It seems to be more about control issues - some people have them.


" You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.."



Yes, it's frustrating when you can't make people do what you want them to do...:)

Millions of dogs do wonderfully on PP, Selects included despite what a couple of loudmouths with one dog on this forum say...give it a whirl.

After reading few posts I guess I better run out and get RC some Natura pet food or Fromm oh maybe Orijen. Does anyone want to help with the vet bills? RC will be at the vets if he tries those foods again with a yeast overgrowth.

Have already tried the foods that are suggested sometimes yelled at that you want to be fed instead of the food that is working for RC . I do not appreciate receiving the message that I am wrong for feeding a food that is working. His yeast is under control, skin in terrific condition along with coat and eyes and energy.

As far as Innova in 2007 samples were sent to Expertox out of texas and acetaminophen and cyanuric acid tested positive.

http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/lab.html

the results fro expertox

http://www.petfoodrecallfacts.com/donna.pdf

here is expertox link

http://www.expertox.com/

I realize this was an independent testing of Innova from a customer but the results are still posted

Good night

kathy
Oh yes this was from today (beautiful day to be outside) on our way to our woods.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2485/4084756828_b5ba68c2f2.jpg

What a joke...do you know the story behind that ? and that the testing company was the problem, and that it was never duplicated at any other lab...

I believe the final conclusion was the ground water near Expertox was polluted with acetaminophen and anything and everything always tested for this drug... if my memory serves me correctly the FDA dismissed these allegations ....The most respected Lab in California could not repeat the finding by Expertox...

goodness sakes people just let it go.....it's not worth it. u can't keep beating a dead horse, no one cares of the differences between the foods.

if ones dog does terrible on a certain food, it doesn't matter the quality.

RCexplorer - no one's telling u to switch foods; if u do that's your choice.

putting your pup on a natura product would be just as harmful as my putting Rivers on a Purina product in the fact that the formulas just don't work, period. U can't force a dog's system into accepting something it just doesn't agree with. No need for u to keep taking offense, at least not in my mind....you're obviously doing what's best...quit worrying about it!

Millions of dogs do wonderfully on PP, Selects included despite what a couple of loudmouths with one dog on this forum say...give it a whirl.

Many more millions also do well on America's best seller made by Purina..Beneful because more people feed and have success with that product with your reasoning you are wasting your hard earned money on PP ...both contain animal fat and digest (poop)

It is not the people who feed PP that are the problem....It is the company who has ruined it's own Top of Line Product by putting the same ingredients found in their low end food....You don't see Eukanuba doing that...Their products recently are getting better...at least the people running their operation understand consumers are getting more educated...

I read other forums concerning Labradors...and most breeders are very upset with what Purina did to their Pro Plan ....Bean counters ruined the product.

The drug Sodium Pentobarbarbital was found in Pro Plan Beef and Rice adult and puppy foods...this drug is used to put animals to sleep....and the only conclusion that can be made is that by using rendered ingredients from animals put down would that be found in Pet Food.....

Leading to Ann Martin's ..Food Pets Die For....book.. to me that is very upsetting that Pro Plan used dead dogs and cats in their products....

and now by using un-named animal fat it might be history repeating itself...Dead dogs and cats go to renderer's every day from large US cities...They contain fat ...and if mixed into one big vat from all the animals rendered that day...yes your beloved pet could now be a cannibal...

:popcorn:

This is a very interesting article regarding the business of rendering. As disgusting as the process may be...there is nothing mentioned here about euthanized dogs and cats being used as a source of food in edible rendered fats.
http://nationalrenderers.org/assets/essential_rendering_book.pdf

Yes, it's frustrating when you can't make people do what you want them to do...:)


No one is trying to make anyone do anything...but don't discredit Natura with untruths...Natura is a top of the line producer of quality dog food, never had a recall of any of its products... When their dog can tolerate the food they always blame the food, it's not the food, but the inability of your dog to tolerate it. I can't drink milk. It messes me up badly. Is their anything wrong with the milk? NO, the milk is fine. It's me that can't tolerate milk. Dog owners on here say they can't feed EVO, Innova because it gives their dogs problems like loose stools or this and that. It is not the food causing this. Your dog cannot tolerate the quality ingredients in this food. But don't say the food is no good because YOUR dog can't eat it.

That is my point!!

No one is trying to make anyone do anything...but don't discredit Natura with untruths...Natura is a top of the line producer of quality dog food, never had a recall of any of its products... When their dog can tolerate the food they always blame the food, it's not the food, but the inability of your dog to tolerate it. I can't drink milk. It messes me up badly. Is their anything wrong with the milk? NO, the milk is fine. It's me that can't tolerate milk. Dog owners on here say they can't feed EVO, Innova because it gives their dogs problems like loose stools or this and that. It is not the food causing this. Your dog cannot tolerate the quality ingredients in this food. But don't say the food is no good because YOUR dog can't eat it.

That is my point!!

I certainly agree with you about this...I only have two dogs...one can eat Innova and one can't. It's simple as that! btw...I can't drink milk, either. :(

No one is trying to make anyone do anything...but don't discredit Natura with untruths...Natura is a top of the line producer of quality dog food, never had a recall of any of its products... When their dog can tolerate the food they always blame the food, it's not the food, but the inability of your dog to tolerate it. I can't drink milk. It messes me up badly. Is their anything wrong with the milk? NO, the milk is fine. It's me that can't tolerate milk. Dog owners on here say they can't feed EVO, Innova because it gives their dogs problems like loose stools or this and that. It is not the food causing this. Your dog cannot tolerate the quality ingredients in this food. But don't say the food is no good because YOUR dog can't eat it.

That is my point!!


I was one of "those" who said neither of my dogs did well on EVO or Innova. I never once said Natura's food was "no good". I also don't recall people stating Natura makes "no good" food only simply the dogs didn't do well on such foods.

YOU are the one in multiple threads who has said Pro Plan and Eukunuba are BAD foods. You are the one who said "if Eukanuba is all one can afford then it's better then nothing".

You even went so far in one thread to say one who feeds Pro Plan is poisining their dogs.

There are so many foods to choose from and you sure make it sound like Natura is the only food out there that works and such information is simply false. So no, I don't get your point.

I was one of "those" who said neither of my dogs did well on EVO or Innova. I never once said Natura's food was "no good". I also don't recall people stating Natura makes "no good" food only simply the dogs didn't do well on such foods.

YOU are the one in multiple threads who has said Pro Plan and Eukunuba are BAD foods. You are the one who said "if Eukanuba" is all one can afford then it's better then nothing".

You even went so far in one thread to say one who feeds Pro Plan is poisining their dogs.

There are so many foods to choose from and you sure make it sound like Natura is the only food out there that works and such information is simply false. So no, I don't get your point.

Thank You for saying this, , I could not have said it better. Now to get back outside with RC for another walk in woods since it is a beautiful day and almost 70 degrees. I will have to catch up with thread later when sun goes down.

hope everyone has a great day

kathy

No one is trying to make anyone do anything...but don't discredit Natura with untruths


I have never, ever implied that Natura was bad (It sounds great! But it's not available here) or tried to discredit it. That's my point. We ALL have our opinions about which dog food we like and I'd say 99% of the posters on this board pretty much express it as "This is what I feed and why but you are free to make your own choice." But you seem to get particularly upset when people don't agree with your opinions about dog food. You seem almost obsessed with getting people to stop feeding non-Natura brands and one can't help but wonder why it bothers you so much.

I've also noticed that while the Pro Plan feeders defend their brands from bashing, I've yet to see one try and get the Natura feeders to switch (and the reverse is true for the overwhelming majority of the Natura feeders.)

Like I said, I don't think it's really even about dog food anymore.

I have never, ever implied that Natura was bad (It sounds great! But it's not available here) or tried to discredit it. That's my point. We ALL have our opinions about which dog food we like and I'd say 99% of the posters on this board pretty much express it as "This is what I feed and why but you are free to make your own choice." But you seem to get particularly upset when people don't agree with your opinions about dog food. You seem almost obsessed with getting people to stop feeding non-Natura brands and one can't help but wonder why it bothers you so much.

I've also noticed that while the Pro Plan feeders defend their brands from bashing, I've yet to see one try and get the Natura feeders to switch (and the reverse is true for the overwhelming majority of the Natura feeders.)

Like I said, I don't think it's really even about dog food anymore.


DITTO and I feed Natura!

I have never, ever implied that Natura was bad (It sounds great! But it's not available here) or tried to discredit it. That's my point. We ALL have our opinions about which dog food we like and I'd say 99% of the posters on this board pretty much express it as "This is what I feed and why but you are free to make your own choice." But you seem to get particularly upset when people don't agree with your opinions about dog food. You seem almost obsessed with getting people to stop feeding non-Natura brands and one can't help but wonder why it bothers you so much.

I've also noticed that while the Pro Plan feeders defend their brands from bashing, I've yet to see one try and get the Natura feeders to switch (and the reverse is true for the overwhelming majority of the Natura feeders.)

Like I said, I don't think it's really even about dog food anymore.

I'm going to agree with this also Bearsowner. You are upsetting a lot of people (myself included) with your statements about Natura. Let it go. I have fed Charlie Natura products most of his life (yes, I am going back to Eukanuba at the moment), but hearing someone talk about Natura day in and day out is just annoying.

Nancy

quote: "You even went so far in one thread to say one who feeds Pro Plan is poisining their dogs."

Please point that out in detail where I said that. I think you have me mixed up with someone else, because I would never say such a thing. Thank you.


Nancy it was let go a long time ago, but others, not mentioning names, are still bringing up their rants about Natura...

As far as I am concerned, MY WORK IS DONE..

quote: "You even went so far in one thread to say one who feeds Pro Plan is poisining their dogs."

Please point that out in detail where I said that. I think you have me mixed up with someone else, because I would never say such a thing. Thank you.


Nancy it was let go a long time ago, but others, not mentioning names, are still bringing up their rants about Natura...

As far as I am concerned, MY WORK IS DONE..


Nope, I don't have you mixed up. I believe these were your words in the thread "Breeders what do you feed your dogs"

You edited your posts after I replied. ;)

9/25/09
Originally Posted by bearsowner http://www.lab-retriever.net/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lab-retriever.net/board/showthread.php?p=1964288662#post1964288662)
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Last but not least, if people want to poison their dogs by feeding them food made by Diamond and Purina that has been proven by recalls after recalls of pet food from these companies, that is their call, but don't discourage a person like Uplander for pointing this out with fact to others who need advice.:mad:

Nothing bold about that statement, the fact is it is "fact"

These threads always pop up. I thought we all agreed along time ago that most people feed what works for their pups. I feed Proplan with great success, so much so that my vet and his staff ask what I feed. But I would never condemn anyone for the food they feed because to me as long as you are feeding your pup what you can afford to feed, I'm happy even if it is Ole Roy, because it beats the heck out NOT feeding your pup and their are thousands of those across this nation that are starved by their owners.

Nope, I don't have you mixed up. I believe these were your words in the thread "Breeders what do you feed your dogs"

You edited your posts after I replied. ;)

9/25/09
Originally Posted by bearsowner http://www.lab-retriever.net/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.lab-retriever.net/board/showthread.php?p=1964288662#post1964288662)
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Last but not least, if people want to poison their dogs by feeding them food made by Diamond and Purina that has been proven by recalls after recalls of pet food from these companies, that is their call, but don't discourage a person like Uplander for pointing this out with fact to others who need advice.:mad:

Nothing bold about that statement, the fact is it is "fact"

My big mouth gets me in trouble ....but I know a little about manufacturing and it's processes...

Here lies the issue with most people....They want to do right by their beloved pets....we all do.... but not all companies are looking out after the health of our Pets....they put profit first...the world has changed from when I was a boy....Small family run businesses were the norm...owners had a vested interest in the quality of their product....Today the corporate giants buy the least expensive ingredients so the quarterly balance sheet meets shareholders expectations and they market heavily to make it seem a wonderful product....Television is a powerful medium to sell your goods...and why Beneful is # 1 in sales...The American public is easily fooled....

Most dogs can eat Beneful, Pedigree and Iams...they don't need boutique foods....But it makes the owner feel good to buy Natura, Champion, Wellness, Horizon, or Fromm....When my dog gives me unconditional love I try to give him the best food I can afford...At times in my life my dogs and cats ate low end grocery store brands....My expendable $$ is larger today...so I say why not feed foods with Human Grade ingredients...they work for him....and I get warm and fuzzy inside thinking he likes me for that....foolish sure...but isn't any type of love....:rolleyes:

Fact ...Natura has the The Belfield Center , named after Dr.Wendell Belfield, a co founder of the company does do testing on their pet food including feeding trials....http://www.belfield.com/about.php



Uplander, where are you getting that Dr. Belfield co-founded Natura?

My big mouth gets me in trouble ....but I know a little about manufacturing and it's processes...

Here lies the issue with most people....They want to do right by their beloved pets....we all do.... but not all companies are looking out after the health of our Pets....they put profit first...the world has changed from when I was a boy....Small family run businesses were the norm...owners had a vested interest in the quality of their product....Today the corporate giants buy the least expensive ingredients so the quarterly balance sheet meets shareholders expectations and they market heavily to make it seem a wonderful product....Television is a powerful medium to sell your goods...and why Beneful is # 1 in sales...The American public is easily fooled....

Most dogs can eat Beneful, Pedigree and Iams...they don't need boutique foods....But it makes the owner feel good to buy Natura, Champion, Wellness, Horizon, or Fromm....When my dog gives me unconditional love I try to give him the best food I can afford...At times in my life my dogs and cats ate low end grocery store brands....My expendable $$ is larger today...so I say why not feed foods with Human Grade ingredients...they work for him....and I get warm and fuzzy inside thinking he likes me for that....foolish sure...but isn't any type of love....:rolleyes:


I understand marketing propoganda, I really do. However with all due respect, have you seen the quarterly budget sheets or P & L statements from them. Unless you have I don't know how you can say such..

It's one thing if the owner "feels better" by purchasing the foods you metioned but it's another ball game when such "outlandish" statements are made about certain dogs foods. I would venture to say everyone on this board wants to do right by their dogs and do so. Asking about how a food has worked and others giving the results they have had or their opinions is "healthy" if you will. But again, what is not accomplishing anything is to bash a food and that is the very thing happening.

I have fed PP and Eukanuba with great success and I really do trust both my breeders on why these foods were chosen. I stand by what I said, if you don't trust the company, you don't trust the ingredients, you don't trust your breeder then by all means don't feed it. But if it works for your dog then telling someone not to feed the food, well I think that is just wrong.

Uplander, where are you getting that Dr. Belfield co-founded Natura?

Watch the Video.....http://www.naturapet.com/

A few seconds into the video he is mentioned....whether he invested or not he was there in the beginning...He has been credited with the California Natural idea....I am sure The Rademakers and Peter Atkins would not have included him in their history if he wasn't...

As one very distinguised person once said, "Forgive them father for they know not what they do"...

Oh well and yet another, " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.."

The End

Just another example of how the fanatics think. My way is the only way. The End. Well not really, you posted 3 more times after this one.;)

Oops - posted in the wrong thread - duh.

Just another example of how the fanatics think. My way is the only way. The End. Well not really, you posted 3 more times after this one.;)

Lol, fanatics...I don't think so...there are so many uneducated people buying pet food thinking it's the best for their dog. Wal-Mart sells skids of Ol' Roy weekly and supermarkets can't keep enough of Beneful in their stores.

But if you really think about it, there are people who truly cannot afford to buy good quality dog food, these people are the exception. But there are those who can afford to buy the better foods for their dogs, but are uneducated on what really is the best food for their pets. They honestly don't know. Personally I know someone who just brought into their family a beautiful full bred bull mastif. Talking to them about dog nutrition is like trying to teach a 1 year old geometry. They look at me like I have two heads. Like DUH?? They spent a ton of money getting this dog and then feed her Iams dog food. Yea like duh? Wondering why the dog has diarhhea every other day. I tell them try Innova, or Cal Natural and even EVO. Oh NO, that food is way too expensive, but it's okay to spend almost $1200 on the dog. Like buying a Ferrari and using some no name low octane gas in it.

Some people just don't get it.

Lol, fanatics...I don't think so...there are so many uneducated people buying pet food thinking it's the best for their dog. Wal-Mart sells skids of Ol' Roy weekly and supermarkets can't keep enough of Beneful in their stores.

But if you really think about it, there are people who truly cannot afford to buy good quality dog food, these people are the exception. But there are those who can afford to buy the better foods for their dogs, but are uneducated on what really is the best food for their pets. They honestly don't know. Personally I know someone who just brought into their family a beautiful full bred bull mastif. Talking to them about dog nutrition is like trying to teach a 1 year old geometry. They look at me like I have two heads. Like DUH?? They spent a ton of money getting this dog and then feed her Iams dog food. Yea like duh? Wondering why the dog has diarhhea every other day. I tell them try Innova, or Cal Natural and even EVO. Oh NO, that food is way too expensive, but it's okay to spend almost $1200 on the dog. Like buying a Ferrari and using some no name low octane gas in it.

Some people just don't get it.

And why exactly do you care so much about what other people feed their dogs, how they spend their money, or what kind of gas they put in their high end sports cars??

I thought you said you were "Done".....seems you just can't stop posting the same point of view over and over and over again.

Lol, fanatics...I don't think so...there are so many uneducated people buying pet food thinking it's the best for their dog. Wal-Mart sells skids of Ol' Roy weekly and supermarkets can't keep enough of Beneful in their stores.

But if you really think about it, there are people who truly cannot afford to buy good quality dog food, these people are the exception. But there are those who can afford to buy the better foods for their dogs, but are uneducated on what really is the best food for their pets. They honestly don't know. Personally I know someone who just brought into their family a beautiful full bred bull mastif. Talking to them about dog nutrition is like trying to teach a 1 year old geometry. They look at me like I have two heads. Like DUH?? They spent a ton of money getting this dog and then feed her Iams dog food. Yea like duh? Wondering why the dog has diarhhea every other day. I tell them try Innova, or Cal Natural and even EVO. Oh NO, that food is way too expensive, but it's okay to spend almost $1200 on the dog. Like buying a Ferrari and using some no name low octane gas in it.

Some people just don't get it.


You are right...some people just don't get it. EVO should not be recommended for a Mastiff pup...a Mastiff puppy is considered a large breed pup and they really need to be very careful what they feed him so he will grow and develop without any problems.

And why exactly do you care so much about what other people feed their dogs, how they spend their money, or what kind of gas they put in their high end sports cars??

I thought you said you were "Done".....seems you just can't stop posting the same point of view over and over and over again.

I am "done" because people just don't get it...

I looked but there is no way to delete your membership here....If there is, please someone let me know...

Hopefully I did get a few people to wake up and smell the coffee...

And why exactly do you care so much about what other people feed their dogs, how they spend their money, or what kind of gas they put in their high end sports cars??

I thought you said you were "Done".....seems you just can't stop posting the same point of view over and over and over again.

Oh yes Iams is much better than an Natura product for their $1200 dog, yup that's right..uh how about Innova Puppy Food?

I see you're still posting...just can't let it go.

Let's face it, as long as a dog is fed every day that's basically all that counts.

Fact ...Natura has the The Belfield Center , named after Dr.Wendell Belfield, a co founder of the company does do testing on their pet food including feeding trials....http://www.belfield.com/about.php (http://www.belfield.com/about.php)



Watch the Video.....http://www.naturapet.com/

A few seconds into the video he is mentioned....whether he invested or not he was there in the beginning...He has been credited with the California Natural idea....I am sure The Rademakers and Peter Atkins would not have included him in their history if he wasn't...

I watched the video and his name is splashed across the screen after the names of 2 other vets while the narrator says "...They began working with vetrinarians, breeders and nutritionists...."

Not a fact, Belfield was not co-founder of Natura. I think you should go back and edit your post. ;)

But if you really think about it, there are people who truly cannot afford to buy good quality dog food, these people are the exception. But there are those who can afford to buy the better foods for their dogs, but are uneducated on what really is the best food for their pets. They honestly don't know. Personally I know someone who just brought into their family a beautiful full bred bull mastif. Talking to them about dog nutrition is like trying to teach a 1 year old geometry. They look at me like I have two heads. Like DUH?? They spent a ton of money getting this dog and then feed her Iams dog food. Yea like duh? Wondering why the dog has diarhhea every other day. I tell them try Innova, or Cal Natural and even EVO. Oh NO, that food is way too expensive, but it's okay to spend almost $1200 on the dog. Like buying a Ferrari and using some no name low octane gas in it.

Some people just don't get it.

LOL, that I do agree with you.:p:

I watched the video and his name is splashed across the screen after the names of 2 other vets while the narrator says "...They began working with vetrinarians, breeders and nutritionists...."

Not a fact, Belfield was not co-founder of Natura. I think you should go back and edit your post. ;)

Whats the point....I have been told an urban myth than...DR. Belfield and the Cal Nat products have been linked for 20 yrs...he supposedly went to New Zealand and checked out the source of their Lamb meal.....inspected the operation as he was a former meat inspector...

It's a fact and mentioned in the video he was in on the beginnings of Natura....does that make him less responsible ? Not a founder ? I am not a historian and who care besides you...

In fact I believe the only commercial diet he'd ever approve of was Cal Nat Lamb, because he felt all the others contained meat sources unfit for consumption of any animal...and the reason for a lot of medical issues...I am giving out this info second hand...but Satch's breeder told me these stories based on personal conversations with him...

Uplander why you wasting your time trying to explain things to the Purina/Eukanuba people?

Uplander why you wasting your time trying to explain things to the Purina/Eukanuba people?

Why do you?;) Still haven't figured out a way to delete your acct?:p:

:goodbad:

Information is power....what does un-named mean....Roadkill? To me it does....or rodents picked up and sent to a renderer....full of rat poison...

don't you think if it was a quality ingredient they would put a name to it ? because they knew what it was....

Biggest question is why is the FDA allowing this....we should by law know what we are buying....:confused:

I have to agree. What about poultry meal? Could be pigeon. Than again I know there are some people that will eat pigeon :eek:

My feeling on the food is the same as Petes with the animal fat. I would also like to know what type of fish is in the "fish meal".

I also like to see4 the protein "meal" as the first ingredient. I have also never seen canola meal in a dog food. Only canola oil.

I don't know a lot about fish based food and if it is okay long term. But the knowledge of what the fish is preserved with is a must if you want to feed a fish based food.

Why do you?;) Still haven't figured out a way to delete your acct?:p:

I lied...:wolf:

Bearsowner...how exactly did you come to the conclusion that I'm an Iams/Eukanuba/Purina person??? You jump to so many conclusions that are completely false that it isn't even funny anymore.

Since you don't seem to be "done" I have to ask again, why exactly do you care so darn much about what others do when it comes to feeding their animals or spending their money??

Could be pigeon. Than again I know there are some people that will eat pigeon :eek:

Sorry, Patty..this made me laugh! I happen to thoroughly enjoy eating squab. :wink:


As for the rest of this thread??? :gaah:

I lied...:wolf:

:doghouse:

You are right...some people just don't get it. EVO should not be recommended for a Mastiff pup...a Mastiff puppy is considered a large breed pup and they really need to be very careful what they feed him so he will grow and develop without any problems.

Actually, a Bull Mastiff is a giant breed pup... even more "complicated" than feeding a large breed pup. :o:

Actually, a Bull Mastiff is a giant breed pup... even more "complicated" than feeding a large breed pup. :o:


Absolutely, so feeding the dog Iams corn food, oops dog food, will solve all these "complications"..:rolleyes:

Bearsowner, will you just stop - PLEASE!!! We don't want to hear your rant anymore - think we've heard it plenty now.

Pro Plan Selects Natural Salmon and Brown Rice is a good food,Luke is finishing up a sack of it and he has done well on it.I will be using it as a rotation food from his normal Kirkland L&R.

Bearsowner, will you just stop - PLEASE!!! We don't want to hear your rant anymore - think we've heard it plenty now.

DITTO!

Ad nauseam

Ad nauseam

That must be from all that corn, wheat and soy you may be eating. :rolleyes: :wolf:

I'm on my first bag of PPSSS with my three and all I can say is so far so good.
I was feeding TOTW Pacific stream and after months of doing well, Devon started to develop itchy skin and ear gunk as did Riley. I am so tired of the food roller coaster I decided to go back to my old friend purina...My show dogs were on it for years and years with no problems..
I agree with whoever said that at least purnia does do trials and very seldom mess with the formula's.
Our problems started after TOTW kibble size shrunk a while back ...formula change who knows ....maybe it was just the sweet potatos....

Charlie is also starting (again) the PPSSS. He is almost transitioned completely and doing great. There are still some ingredients I'm not fond of in the food, but it sure does seem to agree with him.

I think I will move up to the Pro Plan Selects Salmon and Rice version though after this bag. A little better ingredients and I recently found out that the selects has chelated minerals whereas the PPSSS does not. I don't know how much of a difference that makes if at all.

Nancy

I think I will move up to the Pro Plan Selects Salmon and Rice version though after this bag. A little better ingredients and I recently found out that the selects has chelated minerals whereas the PPSSS does not. I don't know how much of a difference that makes if at all.

Nancy

I was thinking the same thing but to be honest I think I will give the PPSSS a go for a few months before I move up the ladder.

We love Proplan select. We rotate it with a couple of other brands that work for our girls (all medium grade) Right now transitioning to the Beef & Barley. It's expensive and that is why we rotate. We've had nothing but problems for G on super premium foods so we feed what works. The 2 girls are happy and look good so I can recommend ProPlan selects.

I know that there is a lot of talk of using higher end food but after 2 bags of CAL NAL. It doesn't seem to be agreeing with him. Now I know that a lot of vets and the vet who worked on Baxter's elbow feeds his 3 labs regular pro plan and he said that they are doing great on it. It seems like a lot of lab owners feed pro plan and others feed higher end food. I agree the the ingredients in PPSSL is not great but if it works for the dog then it's good. It's just like with kids, what works for one may not work for the other.

I still haven't decided what to do, I know that I need to make a switch soon since we are running low on the CAL NAL...

My head is spinning right now.....

As Doppler said to me once - Pro Plan must have some magic ingredient in it. It looks like crap on paper, but Charlie seems to be doing quite well on the PPSSS (this one has no wheat, corn, soy, by-products) his shedding has gone town tremendously and his coat has never looked better. It's not so coarse anymore either. I'd actually like to try the lamb and rice, but it does have wheat, corn, and soy so I'm reluctant.

Nancy

Stoli, how is the CN not agreeing? Which are you feeding...chicken or lamb? Just curious.

As Doppler said to me once - Pro Plan must have some magic ingredient in it. It looks like crap on paper, but Charlie seems to be doing quite well on the PPSSS (this one has no wheat, corn, soy, by-products) his shedding has gone town tremendously and his coat has never looked better. It's not so coarse anymore either. I'd actually like to try the lamb and rice, but it does have wheat, corn, and soy so I'm reluctant.

Nancy

Don't go near the lamb and rice.

Also you have realize what is the integrity of the ingredients in any Purina food...yes no corn, wheat or soy, but how good are the other ingredients in the food. What are the sources? Imported from China or South America?? Natura assures their ingredients are from the US and are human grade...can Purina say this??

I would like to thank everyone for totally spinning my head.

My lab Blue is on Pro Plan Large Breed. He is eating PP because that's what the Breeder who sold me my $1300 dog was feeding.

Multiple times I have gone on DogfoodAnalysis and read how low rated it was. I have thought about switching to Wellness about a dozen times. It is only about 4-5 dollars more than proplan. Money is not an option for me, being that I spend 1300 on a dog. 5 dollars more a month on a bag of food isn't going to kill me.

Then I make the mistake of coming on the dog food war boards and get totally screwed up. =)

I may make the switch to Wellness, but I must say that my dog seems to be doing great on ProPlan.

So my question would be this: If he's doing good on the food that he is eating, why the heck should I switch to a food that is rated higher on a web site?

Oh...Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!

Wonder what the Omega 6 content is in the Purina...this could be the reason for hair improvement, I bet it's higher in this food.

My sister's cat ate Innova or Evo for quite a number of years, then temporarily relocated to a friends house for a year, she ate Purina cat food there. Her hair beautifully glistened, I must say; after looking at most of the G/A in the differences, the Omega 6 was pretty high in the Purina formula she was eating.

My sister switched her over to Orijen a few weeks after she came home; her hair looks just as shiney, but we did add in extra oils into her diet, a combination of Omega 6 & Omega 3's.

Perhaps the dog food is the same way; I do know that Omega 3's, which is the better omega fatty acid, doesn't always give the glow to the coat that the Omega 6 does.

Since I posted my thread several weeks ago about Rivers shedding; we've got him stabilized on Coconut oil, but also added in pure virgin olive oil for the Omega 9, as well as virgin sesame oils....his hair was never dull, even before this, but his shedding has become non-existent.

He doesn't eat a main diet of dry food though; he does get cal natural puppy a few times a week, but mostly eats honest kitchen preference mixed with raw ground turkey, eggs, canned salmon/sardines/anchovies.

I'm not saying to not feed Purina, simply saying the reason the food could make the hair shiney could be in the high amounts of Omega 6; of which is fine, but be sure to add Omega 3's into the diet to off-set the high amount of Omega 6's. The correct ratio should be 3:1 or something like that.

Too much omega 6 in the diet can lead to all kinds of health issues, so just be sure to equal it out with a superb quality omega 3.

Woofie, in the PPSSS the omega 6 is 1.3% and the Omega 3 is .8%. I've always supplemented with salmon oil and vitamin E even on this food. I will admit Charlie has some dandruff right now. He had it with CN too so not sure what to make of it or how to get rid of the dandruff.

Nancy

Stoli, how is the CN not agreeing? Which are you feeding...chicken or lamb? Just curious.

I am feeding the lamb since the chicken has flaxseed in it. I thought that flaxseed may cause problems so that's why I chose lamb.

Don't go near the lamb and rice.

Also you have realize what is the integrity of the ingredients in any Purina food...yes no corn, wheat or soy, but how good are the other ingredients in the food. What are the sources? Imported from China or South America?? Natura assures their ingredients are from the US and are human grade...can Purina say this??

I think you forgot to say IMO

RC is doing very well on Pro Plan sensitive skin and stomach, he is almost eight and his coat, skin, eyes , bm's, and how he acts overall (energy) have not been this good in a long time . I am sorry I did not try PP sooner

RC never did do well on lamb, but I may try the chicken and rice formula down the road .

From FDA article

"Many pet foods are labeled as "premium," and some now are "super premium" and even "ultra premium." Other products are touted as "gourmet" items. Products labeled as premium or gourmet are not required to contain any different or higher quality ingredients, nor are they held up to any higher nutritional standards than are any other complete and balanced products."
http://www.fda.gov/animalveterinary/resourcesforyou/ucm047113.htm

So the bottom line as far as I am concerned in feed your animal what works for your animal's health , well being and you , if that happens to be Pro Plan Natura , Orijen, wellness,Iams Eukanuba or many others I did not mention .

Kathy

Lulz.

This thread very much resembles the *debates* I see on a motorcycle forum that I frequent, except there it's about what oil is best for a Harley :D

You could pretty much swap out (Purina, Science Diet, etc) with (Mobil 1, Castrol, etc) and they would be identical threads. :p:

I'm pretty happy with Pro Plan Lamb and rice, FWIW and IMHO :)

Lulz.

This thread very much resembles the *debates* I see on a motorcycle forum that I frequent, except there it's about what oil is best for a Harley :D

You could pretty much swap out (Purina, Science Diet, etc) with (Mobil 1, Castrol, etc) and they would be identical threads. :p:

I'm pretty happy with Pro Plan Lamb and rice, FWIW and IMHO :)

LOL - okay, that made me laugh.

Nancy

Then I make the mistake of coming on the dog food war boards and get totally screwed up. =)


So my question would be this: If he's doing good on the food that he is eating, why the heck should I switch to a food that is rated higher on a web site?

Just opinions here. The proof is in the pudding. Some here feed the 5 and 6 star rated foods rated by dogfoodwhatever.com and they may do well. So naturally they are going to recommend it. But if your dog is doing well with brand x, no need to look any further. Just be happy you have a dog food that is serving you well.

Woofie, in the PPSSS the omega 6 is 1.3% and the Omega 3 is .8%. I've always supplemented with salmon oil and vitamin E even on this food. I will admit Charlie has some dandruff right now. He had it with CN too so not sure what to make of it or how to get rid of the dandruff.

Nancy

That's actually quite low...hmm. Cal natural very easily causes dry skin in most dogs cause it is very low in the Omegas; that's always been a big complaint for most owners.

All I can say, is irregardless what's being fed, the biggest difference I've seen with my dogs hair was the addition of coconut and olive oil; just recently added in sesame oils.....salmon is a possibility too, but my dogs have always eaten wild caught salmon.

Lulz.

This thread very much resembles the *debates* I see on a motorcycle forum that I frequent, except there it's about what oil is best for a Harley :D

You could pretty much swap out (Purina, Science Diet, etc) with (Mobil 1, Castrol, etc) and they would be identical threads. :p:

I'm pretty happy with Pro Plan Lamb and rice, FWIW and IMHO :)

Very very true.

Same with threads I see about eating vegetables/fruits/grains versus McDonalds fast food on health forums....seriously. If it works, it works, feed it, eat it or use it.

I have 2 nephews I've helped raise over the years; one primarily has been brought up on a diet of 90% homecooked, fresh, not pre-packaged food.

The other has been brought up on at least 80% fast food, constant eating out, etc. The one who eats out a lot, at barely 12yrs old, has high-blood cholesteral - actually at a very scary level for his age; but otherwise is at the perfect weight, height, attitude, etc for his age.

He does have to have his LDL, cholesteral levels rechecked every 6mnths cause the doc was really worried; but aside from that, I see no differences in overall health of the 2 kids.

If that was my child, I'd be knocking down the fast food for sure....but at the same time, both of his parents have and have always had high-blood cholesteral as well....so....as long as the child is performing and exceling at everything he does....why change?.....that's their opinion, not necessarily mine.

But who am I to argue with the parents that the fast food is not doing the child anygood, when in fact, that same child can not only run faster then the child eating homecooked meals, but honestly speaking, he can also out smart him in a whip.....obviously his diet is doing something for him. Be it greasy fries, chocolate shake, huge big mac, etc.

Yes....everything you read, hear about, argues that homecooked is 100% healthier then eating out....but you read that about dog foods too, so why should there be a difference?? Obviously when it comes down to it, be it kids or dogs, there is NO difference in performance levels, mind-set, weight, etc.

It all boils down to the fact that a dog could actually survive on the neighbors wiltering garden and be just fine...

We all can....actually. In my house, in the past, there's been weeks/months were we've eatin nothing but noodles and potatoe soup...

If it works feed it, quit feeling like you have to defend it. I'm off to work, and nearby Sonic to get a breakfast, greasy burrito and a large cherry coke!....seriously, this is my breakfast 3 days out of 5.

So my question would be this: If he's doing good on the food that he is eating, why the heck should I switch to a food that is rated higher on a web site?

Just have to LOL, because this is what it always comes back to for me. And I haven't switched and probably won't.

Part of it for me, is that I have a 13.5 year old doing great so I definitely don't want to rock her boat, kwim?

Very very true.

Same with threads I see about eating vegetables/fruits/grains versus McDonalds fast food on health forums....seriously. If it works, it works, feed it, eat it or use it.

I have 2 nephews I've helped raise over the years; one primarily has been brought up on a diet of 90% homecooked, fresh, not pre-packaged food.

The other has been brought up on at least 80% fast food, constant eating out, etc. The one who eats out a lot, at barely 12yrs old, has high-blood cholesteral - actually at a very scary level for his age; but otherwise is at the perfect weight, height, attitude, etc for his age.

He does have to have his LDL, cholesteral levels rechecked every 6mnths cause the doc was really worried; but aside from that, I see no differences in overall health of the 2 kids.

If that was my child, I'd be knocking down the fast food for sure....but at the same time, both of his parents have and have always had high-blood cholesteral as well....so....as long as the child is performing and exceling at everything he does....why change?.....that's their opinion, not necessarily mine.

But who am I to argue with the parents that the fast food is not doing the child anygood, when in fact, that same child can not only run faster then the child eating homecooked meals, but honestly speaking, he can also out smart him in a whip.....obviously his diet is doing something for him. Be it greasy fries, chocolate shake, huge big mac, etc.

Yes....everything you read, hear about, argues that homecooked is 100% healthier then eating out....but you read that about dog foods too, so why should there be a difference?? Obviously when it comes down to it, be it kids or dogs, there is NO difference in performance levels, mind-set, weight, etc.

It all boils down to the fact that a dog could actually survive on the neighbors wiltering garden and be just fine...

We all can....actually. In my house, in the past, there's been weeks/months were we've eatin nothing but noodles and potatoe soup...

If it works feed it, quit feeling like you have to defend it. I'm off to work, and nearby Sonic to get a breakfast, greasy burrito and a large cherry coke!....seriously, this is my breakfast 3 days out of 5.

Perhaps of interest, the documentary movie, Super Size Me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me

LuckyLuna....my post definitely doesn't mean I agree with fast and crappy foods being of benefit...not in the slightest....but you'd be amazed how many DO feel that there is no difference between fresh versus fast foods.

Just comparing situation in the fact that it's a very similar discussion on human health boards, similar to this forum, in how one finds what works and sticks with it. Whether someone else feels that it's right or wrong, it's really not, if it works for that person.

FWIW though, I DO have my cherry cokes in the morning, but I typically only allow myself 3 sodas a week, period; and the breakfast burrito's are not an everyday thing. I eat a lot of fruits for breakfast while driving down the road.

If I had it my way, my nephew would not be eating out all the time, but I don't make those rules, I can only feed him what I cook when he's here.

My point is, irregardless what another feels is right or wrong, if it *works* for the person using that product, they're righteously going to use it.

I prefer Motorcraft Oil. For my Ford Escape. Is motor oil all the same? Is dog food all the same?