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[arentspowell]

That's how I react to drama.

Sorry.

You caused the drama. I'm done.

[Berna]

My "sarcastic" comment was made after the OP made her dramatic leave, so I don't see how I could have possibly caused the drama.

Personally, I don't see why you appear to be offended the most.

[beth101509]

My "sarcastic" comment was made after the OP made her dramatic leave, so I don't see how I could have possibly caused the drama.

Personally, I don't see why you appear to be offended the most.

That is what I was wondering. I wasn't going to get involved in this but I do feel arentspowell is the most offended that someone who would ask for advice and then get upset when they weren't told what they wanted to hear and then get offended is MORE offended than that person. Very interesting.

I do agree that some of the advice was repetitive but if you go back through any of these threads, that is a trend and shouldn't be taken as chastising. If a group of people all believe in the same product or prefer a type of appearance, then they all chime in. People should be allowed to have differing opinions without these long, drama filled threads. Aren't we all adults? Shouldn't we all be treated as such? If everyone had only one opinion and shared it, this would be very boring and none of us would learning new things.

For example, I was all against raw feeding a dog so never participated in those threads but just recently have started thinking about switching to that. I posted a thread asking about switching to raw and several people have replied offering the same advice, apparently it works for more than 1 person. I am not going to get offended by someone who has a differing opinion or by the fact that more than 1 person has said the same thing to me.

I just think it is sad that we can't have discussions without worrying about if we offended someone because they may not agree with us...People do have a right to be honest, opinionated, and at times sarcastic. People all react to different things in different ways, that is what makes us unique. I'm sorry the OP doesn't feel like she got what she wanted out of this forum and I am sorry that arentspowell is more offended than the OP but that is just the way it is. No point in getting petty about it.

[arentspowell]

whats so interesting about it? It genuinely bothered me that people were treating her that way and that we lost another new member to bullying. Don't apologize to me, the OP is already gone.

It wasn't that they offered the same advice or offered advice at all, its HOW that advice was offered.

[beth101509]

whats so interesting about it? It genuinely bothered me that people were treating her that way and that we lost another new member to bullying.

What is interesting is why you are fighting this fight for her? She said she was done and yet this has continued on 3 different threads (if I counted correctly) all of which you are apparently very upset by the way a couple of people have made their suggestions that you don't agree with. Is it sad that a new member left because she didn't like the way people offered her advice, yes but what does that have to do with you? This is not your fight. You can't force the OP to feel a certain way or accept advice a certain way and I feel like that is what is going on. That is what I find interesting. You can't expect person 1 to ask a question and people 2-10 to answer the way person 1 wanted and then when person 1 says they are offended to not expect people 2-10 to have opinions about that.

[arentspowell]

What is interesting is why you are fighting this fight for her? She said she was done and yet this has continued on 3 different threads (if I counted correctly) all of which you are apparently very upset by the way a couple of people have made their suggestions that you don't agree with. Is it sad that a new member left because she didn't like the way people offered her advice, yes but what does that have to do with you? This is not your fight. You can't force the OP to feel a certain way or accept advice a certain way and I feel like that is what is going on. That is what I find interesting. You can't expect person 1 to ask a question and people 2-10 to answer the way person 1 wanted and then when person 1 says they are offended to not expect people 2-10 to have opinions about that.

Am I not allowed to speak up against something I felt was wrong? My apologies. I've only been a member of this forum for 5 years and have seen this happen more times than I can count.

[Sue]

beth101509, you haven't been around these boards very long. Bullying has happened in the past, and it's still ongoing. And we've lost many members because of this. Not to mention scaring off potential new members who may be reading these threads before joining.

Before the crash, Woody did a major ban of some of the more blatant offenders, although some that were blameless got caught up in it. Some have rejoined this board, under new names on occasion (one in particular comes to mind but she's behaved for the most part), and a lot of members have refused to rejoin, because of all the bullying that took place.

So yeah, Ashley will stick up for those being bullied, as will I. And you cannot deny there were some rude responses to her. It's a shame, because we are all supposedly here to learn, and you don't teach by the methods (and tones of "voice") that have been used in some of her threads.

[beth101509]

Am I not allowed to speak up against something I felt was wrong? My apologies. I've only been a member of this forum for 5 years and have seen this happen more times than I can count.

I think having your own opinions is the point of these forums. So yes, feel free to stick up for whatever you believe in. But allow others to do the same. I just felt that you were taking it very personally yourself and you and Sue have cleared up why that is. Apparently bullying has been an issue for many years. I don't agree with that type of behavior but I also don't think everyone that has a different opinion is a bully.

beth101509, you haven't been around these boards very long. Bullying has happened in the past, and it's still ongoing. And we've lost many members because of this. Not to mention scaring off potential new members who may be reading these threads before joining.

Before the crash, Woody did a major ban of some of the more blatant offenders, although some that were blameless got caught up in it. Some have rejoined this board, under new names on occasion (one in particular comes to mind but she's behaved for the most part), and a lot of members have refused to rejoin, because of all the bullying that took place.

So yeah, Ashley will stick up for those being bullied, as will I. And you cannot deny there were some rude responses to her. It's a shame, because we are all supposedly here to learn, and you don't teach by the methods (and tones of "voice") that have been used in some of her threads.

I do agree that some rude responses were made. I also agree that she made a couple of rude remarks herself in response to those. Now it just comes down to who started it and who is the bigger person to stop it. I think a person should make their point and then be done with it. These 3 threads are basically the same repetitive fight. So, in my own advice, I will let you guys continue and just read. Unless you have a direct question for me, then I will respond. I am glad that Woody has cleared out the bullies as that should not be tolerated but I don't agree that is what occurred in this case.

[Berna]

Is it sad that a new member left because she didn't like the way people offered her advice

Correction. The OP left because

I've decided this site isn't for me. I saw a video of a blatantly cruel trainer posted by a member claiming the person was their trainer. Very distressing. I see prongs advertised as if they are not just sorry punitive devices that belong in the garbage.

I really don't see where you see the "bullying". However, again, if I see a person doing/believing/advising something that I believe is wrong, I do have the right and will say my opinion. If someone feels offended, I am sorry, but it's totally up to that person whether (s)he will accept the advice, become defensive, offended, or grateful.

I've recently posted a thread about a problem I am having with my plant, and I am thankful for all the people who chimed in. They told me what I should try and what I may be doing wrong. Why would I be angry at them? Doesn't make any sense, I am the one asking for advice. And even if I didn't ask for advice, I'd be thankful if someone told me, "hey, you should do that... you shouldn't do this" etc.

Bullying? Come on!

[voodoo]

nobody should have to stand up for anyone else. just post your 2 cents and move on. most people understand whats being said. no need to beat a dead horse.