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    1. #1
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      More Questions Stemming From Info at a Raw Supplier's Website

      I was at Barkfest on the weekend and picked up a couple of freebies of prepared raw food. Very nice freebies, about 4 pounds of free food and one place gave me an insulated bag to put them in.

      I was just reading at one supplier's website and it says things I never heard before. This could apply to any food I think, not just raw. But, I googled up each thing and could find nothing to corroborate. Does anyone here know about this? Can you provide links. I just emailed the supplier and forwarded it to my Vet but neither has had time to answer yet.

      1. It's better to feed a dog one large meal a day than two smaller ones because a dog's stomach lining is sort of pleated and only stretches to reveal glands that aid in digestion which are hidden in the pleats when a large meal is consumed. Smaller (2 or more meals a day) will not reveal the glands thus the dog will not get full benefit from the smaller meals.

      2. A dog will produce *digestive juices based on the time of day fed. Or will produce them at sight of food if a consistent feeding schedule is not adhered to. Dogs fed on a schedule will vomit up the acidic digestive juices if their food is late. Thus it might be better to vary the feeding times so the dog will adapt to only producing the digestive juices at the sight of his meal, not at a certain time, in order to avoid the vomiting.

      3. And this site says pork is a particularly beneficial meat to feed because it promotes faster muscle growth and therefore faster training. And that is why pork is used so much by dog sled racers.

      * It would seem that digestive juices are not what is produced in the glands of the pleated stomach since the former are produced at sight or time whereas the latter are not produced till the meal is in the stomach. That's my take anyway.

      I have paraphrased so this can't be traced back to the actual supplier. I'm new to raw but this all sounds hokey to me. The only one I got close to confirming was pork where it was listed 10th in a list of the ten best foods for protein content for human men involved in body building. Beef was ahead of pork in that one.

      Not that this necessarily means the raw food provided by this supplier is no good but it would be nice to know if they are correct in these things. To summarize my questions they are: One meal a day? Vomit if meal late? Pork? Anyone?

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      I have heard of 1 and 2. Have experienced 2. A lot of folks do fast their dogs once a week and believe they benefit from that. Raw feeders also pack feed, where they will put out a large amount of food and everyone has their turn at it, self regulating.

      3 makes sense in the sled dog idea since pork is a fattier meat and the fat will provide energy to the hard workers. I like pork for the fat because I believe it keeps the coats shining and offers a variety in protein, but I don't feed it often because it is so fatty. It can quickly pack on pounds and I do have concerns with it triggering pancreatitis.

      I feed anywhere from 1 to 3 meals a day but usually feed 2. This morning I Skyped with my nephew and was late to feed the boys. Charlie threw up bile.
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      I have experienced 2. I feed twice a day to help avoid this, and b/c that is what my dogs are used to.

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      I'm going to write #1 again. I don't think I put it clearly.

      The stomach has glands that are hidden in pleats or folds. The folds need to be stretched out by a big meal once a day before the glands can act.

      Surely if this is true a vast number of dogs would be showing more sign of poor nutrition than are?

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      We have experienced #2 with our Lab - not so much with our Newf. We have to stay on schedule. If we are too late, our Lab will vomit while we are making his food. There are a lot of very opinionated people out there about raw or anti-raw. I just remind myself I don't have to be an animal nutritionist to know that real food is healthier than kibble. We feed more pork than beef because it's cheaper. With 2 large dogs we shop the sales and supplement with fancy meat from our raw coop.

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      I got an answer back from the supplier; a non-answer. Basically she just re-iterated what was on the site, provided no back up other than the pork idea was from something on TV about sled dogs. And did not address the discrepancy between digestive juices and glands in the stomach at all. But would be happy to discuss any concerns I might have. However the email answer does say any of the points might only happen to some dogs whereas the website makes it seem it applies to all dogs. See? That's why I'm asking all of you.

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      Okay, I have a bit more time to reply....I've never heard of number 1 in regards to folds/pleats in the stomach, and stretching. It can though be beneficial to feed once a day, as it allows you to feed larger hunks of things, therefore creating a better dental/mental workout. That and convenience is the main motivation to feed once a day.

      My understanding with number 3 is that sled/sporting dogs sometimes benefit from extra fat for endurance/energy. Maybe that is why they suggest pork. I've never heard of it promoting muscle growth.

      I read a LOT about raw feeding, and have never heard these arguments for #1 and #3

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      I found this:

      K9joy Education: free article on "The Dog's Stomach" by Mogens Eliasen

      But just because this man has the equivalent of a Ph.D. in Chemistry I think is not a good reason for me to believe he is credible on dog stomachs. Wouldn't a credible article give research sources? Or am I to believe he did awful things to dogs to find out himself.

      And some more:

      Gross and Microscopic Anatomy of the Stomach

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      I had given Dodger a whole turkey to chew on once, thinking he'll eat until he's full, he ate about 1/4 of it(about 3 lbs) and I was up all night cause he kept having to go to the washroom. It gave him a tummy ache.

      I read somewhere about the folds and pleats, but if I feed Dodger only once per day, he gets ETS.

      I do however vary his meal sizes, in the morning on weekdays, he gets less than at night because he stays in his crate all day, at night he gets a bigger supper cause we go off leash walking in the woods. Weekends he gets even meals. On occasion I double his meal for a treat. Maybe once a month.

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      Quote Originally Posted by krosen View Post
      I had given Dodger a whole turkey to chew on once, thinking he'll eat until he's full, he ate about 1/4 of it(about 3 lbs) and I was up all night cause he kept having to go to the washroom. It gave him a tummy ache.
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      Oh god, if I gave any of mine a whole turkey, I think they'd eat the entire thing or die trying

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