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    I looked at this food when the stores first had it and called Fromm. They would not comment on how much of the 29% protein was actually from lamb compared to how much was from the lentils, chickpeas and peas and pea flour. Pea Flour is exactly the same as peas, so they are playing the label splitting game.

    For $75 a bag (26lbs) this food seems way overpriced.

    Farmina Grain Free Lamb (50% Lamb) is 37% protein, 95% of the protein from Lamb, Herring and Egg and it is the same price. Farmina Low Grain Lamb (40% lamb) is 28% protein. 90% of the protein from Lamb, Herring & Egg and it costs $20 less a bag than Fromm.

    I would pass. The kibble size is absurdly small for large breed dogs as well. They make it that small because it is cheaper and faster to make.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LabMunsterBracco View Post
    The kibble size is absurdly small for large breed dogs as well. They make it that small because it is cheaper and faster to make.
    Why would smaller kibble be any cheaper and faster to make?

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    I feel like we have always fed smaller kibble, Fromm is no smaller then Natures Logic. I never thought much about kibble size meaning much to be honest. As long as they eat it, and do well on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc515 View Post
    Why would smaller kibble be any cheaper and faster to make?
    Less drying time and less breakage. Also, changing the equipment to make different sizes slows production down which costs money, so lots of companies won't do it.

    Over the years kibble has gotten smaller to sizes that are inappropriate for large breed dogs. All to save money. Small kibble leads to very fast eating which is a risk factor for bloat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LabMunsterBracco View Post

    Over the years kibble has gotten smaller to sizes that are inappropriate for large breed dogs. All to save money. Small kibble leads to very fast eating which is a risk factor for bloat.
    I am curious if there are any studies that show that? I have not heard that before? None of our dogs have ever really been super fast eaters, so I never really was concerned. Thanks for the insight

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    Their grain free always seems to be smaller then their non grain free I think. My dogs actually even sometimes change even in one day what kind they are eating and I have had no problems. My male prefers any of the fish options though he will turn his nose up to the pork at times. And my female is only 1 and eats like a pig so she has no opinion.

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    Mine gobbled down Merrick too fast, good food maybe, but tiny pea-size kibbles for an 86-lb dog.
    Didn't go back (yet).

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazysage View Post
    I am curious if there are any studies that show that? I have not heard that before? None of our dogs have ever really been super fast eaters, so I never really was concerned. Thanks for the insight
    Some researchers believe that kibble at 3 cm and larger lowers the risk of bloat.

    How to prevent Bloat and GDV in dogs. Risk factors for GDV, Products, and Vet Advice | VetLIVE
    Dietary Risk Factors Associated With Dog Bloat | Dog Bloat

    This makes perfect sense since I have seen a dramatic slow-down in eating when dogs are fed larger kibbles. Since rapid eating is one of the leading causes of bloat, anything to slow them down is a rational approach.

    I see no downside in using larger kibble.

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    The size of the kibble has absolutely no effect on how quickly Maxx eats. I rotate between 5 different brands and protiens of kibble, Fromm, Wellness Core, Earthborn, Infinia and Farmina, all grain free. The kibble sizes vary greatly. I have tried everything to slow him down short of feeding him one piece at a time, nothing works. He has eaten like this since I brought him home at almost 9 weeks. The more you try to slow him down the more frantic he seems to get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LabMunsterBracco View Post
    Less drying time and less breakage. Also, changing the equipment to make different sizes slows production down which costs money, so lots of companies won't do it.

    Over the years kibble has gotten smaller to sizes that are inappropriate for large breed dogs. All to save money. Small kibble leads to very fast eating which is a risk factor for bloat.
    Here is a response I received from Fromm:

    "Thank you for your email and inquiry to Fromm Family Foods.

    Actually, we do not offer a large kibble and have no plans to increase thesize. The reason for that is two fold. First, the size of thekibble is related to our cooking method which uses a slower pace and lowertemperature to avoid possible damage to essential proteins and amino acids thatcan happen in a flash or intense heating process needed for large kibble. Second is that smaller kibble pieces are better for a pet's digestive system asit processes easier for them."

    Makes sense to me; so I'm not sure if your position of "saving money" is the only reason. I'm sure the ones with the larger kibble equipment don't want to change to smaller kibble as it would slow their production down and cost them money too.

    I always believed larger kibble was better, but our guy wolfs down large and small just as fast, so the smaller kibble is better for his digestive system.

    But hey, that's why there are so many varieties of kibble out there

 



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