When is abuse really abuse?

[IRISHWISTLER]

It's not going to matter one way or the other to me whether or not five strangers on the internet believe me. It's certainly not going to make a difference in my life, yours or anyone else's, let alone the dog that I was originally posting about. But go ahead and do what you need to do to make yourself feel good inside. And if that means polling strangers to find out if they believe one stranger more than another stranger and getting more strangers on your side than on mine, then you might want to re-evaluate your life! Seriously, cut the crap. We can all read this thread and see that you went from "this is abuse" to "you're a liar" because you wanted to jump into the middle of something and feel, what? Big man on the keyboard campus? You can keep going and create a poll, but I've had enough.

As the OP, t'was ye that made the allegation o' abuse, supporting that with a vivid description o' the "atrocities" involved. Ye then asked for "thoughts" which I chose to respond to saying that if it looks like abuse and smells like abuse it is likely abuse, (no harm, no foul, simply me opinion). As for "making a difference in the life of the dog" that you were originally posting about, ye had the opportunity to do so and ye opted to ignore the abuse you characterized as being so horrific. I can't quite wrap me head around that but perhaps that is me own "problem" not yours. If I was that horrified by what I was witnessing, ye can bet I would not just sit there and not advocate for the animal being abused. T'is not meself that is not backing up me allegations, me thinks most members on here can clearly see the holes in this story as they have done with other postings ye have made. Additionally, it is clear that ye less than tactful comments have raised the ire o' members o' this board far and above meself. These are not things that I made up, rather they are conclusions arrived at after reading ye continuous "crap" that goes unsubstantiated by fact and common sense. I NEVER said I was going to poll the membership with regard to ye credibility, I simply offered you the opportunity to do so as a reality check (reality as in truth). As to me going from "this is abuse" to "you're a liar", ye have it half right, I never claimed it WAS abuse (remember, I was not there, you were) and t'was ye that chose NOT to act on the abuse, atrocious as it was. That's on ye, not meself. It seems unthinkable to me that if this actually happened that ye are the only one that posted anything about this overt act o' animal abuse on this site or a number o' other such sites. Ye remind me o' one o' those Munchhausen mom's always presenting factitious stories to be the hero. Ye had the chance to step in, address the alleged abuse and be the hero ye seem to need to be. Ye chose not to do so. Epic failure defined. Given the elements herein, I don't need ye to tell me to re-evaluate me life, as t'is not me own integrity that has been called into question by a number o' members. "Need to feel like a Big man". NOT. Need to be truthful and maintain me integrity - PRICELESS.

Irishwhistler

[SunDance]

Boy, didn't this turn into a witch hunt.

Yeah, I, too, think this election and the aftermath has people's nerves etc. on edge.

[Labradorks]

As the OP, t'was ye that made the allegation o' abuse, supporting that with a vivid description o' the "atrocities" involved. Ye then asked for "thoughts" which I chose to respond to saying that if it looks like abuse and smells like abuse it is likely abuse, (no harm, no foul, simply me opinion). As for "making a difference in the life of the dog" that you were originally posting about, ye had the opportunity to do so and ye opted to ignore the abuse you characterized as being so horrific. I can't quite wrap me head around that but perhaps that is me own "problem" not yours. If I was that horrified by what I was witnessing, ye can bet I would not just sit there and not advocate for the animal being abused. T'is not meself that is not backing up me allegations, me thinks most members on here can clearly see the holes in this story as they have done with other postings ye have made. Additionally, it is clear that ye less than tactful comments have raised the ire o' members o' this board far and above meself. These are not things that I made up, rather they are conclusions arrived at after reading ye continuous "crap" that goes unsubstantiated by fact and common sense. I NEVER said I was going to poll the membership with regard to ye credibility, I simply offered you the opportunity to do so as a reality check (reality as in truth). As to me going from "this is abuse" to "you're a liar", ye have it half right, I never claimed it WAS abuse (remember, I was not there, you were) and t'was ye that chose NOT to act on the abuse, atrocious as it was. That's on ye, not meself. It seems unthinkable to me that if this actually happened that ye are the only one that posted anything about this overt act o' animal abuse on this site or a number o' other such sites. Ye remind me o' one o' those Munchhausen mom's always presenting factitious stories to be the hero. Ye had the chance to step in, address the alleged abuse and be the hero ye seem to need to be. Ye chose not to do so. Epic failure defined. Given the elements herein, I don't need ye to tell me to re-evaluate me life, as t'is not me own integrity that has been called into question by a number o' members. "Need to feel like a Big man". NOT. Need to be truthful and maintain me integrity - PRICELESS.

Irishwhistler

Me cannot even read this. Get ye self o life.

[IRISHWISTLER]

Me cannot even read this. Get ye self o life.

Let me translate for you. Your posts are rife with untruths, you obviously cannot back them when you get called on them, you failed miserably to advocate for a dog that you claim you witnessed being subjected to atrocious abuse, and you continually offend other members on this board with your accusatory remarks. Can you read that?

Irishwhistler

[Labradorks]

Let me translate for you. Your posts are rife with untruths, you obviously cannot back them when you get called on them, you failed miserably to advocate for a dog that you claim you witnessed being subjected to atrocious abuse, and you continually offend other members on this board with your accusatory remarks. Can you read that?

Irishwhistler

Since you are now the message board police, are we all supposed to have signed affidavits from now on to back up everything we say on this message board? I mean, I'm not sure exactly how to "substantiate" everything I say I saw on a message board to a bunch of strangers. And, would that just be for me and anyone else who doesn't think like you? Should I "register" as a force-free trainer? And what other type of documentation will you require from me to be able to stay on the board? Will you be building a wall around the message board to keep in people like you and keep out people who are different? Are you going to come and investigate my "untruths" or just make blind accusations from your keyboard (aka, "alternative facts")? And, finally, do you have a Twitter account so I can know what is going on with the message board?

[IRISHWISTLER]

Since you are now the message board police, are we all supposed to have signed affidavits from now on to back up everything we say on this message board? I mean, I'm not sure exactly how to "substantiate" everything I say I saw on a message board to a bunch of strangers. And, would that just be for me and anyone else who doesn't think like you? Should I "register" as a force-free trainer? And what other type of documentation will you require from me to be able to stay on the board? Will you be building a wall around the message board to keep in people like you and keep out people who are different? Are you going to come and investigate my "untruths" or just make blind accusations from your keyboard (aka, "alternative facts")? And, finally, do you have a Twitter account so I can know what is going on with the message board?

My police career is long over. No need to provide an affidavit to me, but you would have to do so if you were to file a formal complaint of the animal abuse you claim you witnessed (that being the same abuse you failed to intervene in on behalf of the tormented dog). You would not be confronted with the request for substantiation if your numerous accounts of witnessing animal abuse were even plausible. Perhaps you do witness more such incidents because the abusers sense you are just a windbag that won't challenge their alleged illegal activities. Then again it could be just another delusional episode you are lapsing into such as inferring my assertions on this board some way are even loosely connected to President Trump (references made to "alternative facts", building a wall, and a Twitter account), so much for leaving politics out of the forum. No need to come investigate your untruths, they are plainly evident to most intelligent beings in a number of your posts as are your unwarranted accusatory remarks toward other members of this board. It is not my board so it is not for me to ask you for documentation of any kind to remain on the board. Your inference that I am some kind of self appointed message board police is totally without merit as it seems the only member I have had any negative dealings with is you, and I am sure I am not alone in that regard. My problem with you has nothing to do with your philosophy specific to training methods, I fully recognize there are a number of approaches to training. My main problems with you are your snarky attitude displayed toward a number of members of this board (myself included), and your very obvious factitious allegations of rampant animal abuse within our community that only you seem to observe at unprecedentedly high frequencies. Too bad for you that folks on this forum just aren't as clueless as you assumed us to be. You pulled this same "crap" on another forum and it didn't take you but a few days to alienate members there as well. Hey, it must be us??? The members here are not stupid. I am done on this matter.

Irishwhistler

[charliebbarkin]

https://youtu.be/FONN-0uoTHI

[Labradorks]

My police career is long over. No need to provide an affidavit to me, but you would have to do so if you were to file a formal complaint of the animal abuse you claim you witnessed (that being the same abuse you failed to intervene in on behalf of the tormented dog). You would not be confronted with the request for substantiation if your numerous accounts of witnessing animal abuse were even plausible. Perhaps you do witness more such incidents because the abusers sense you are just a windbag that won't challenge their alleged illegal activities. Then again it could be just another delusional episode you are lapsing into such as inferring my assertions on this board some way are even loosely connected to President Trump (references made to "alternative facts", building a wall, and a Twitter account), so much for leaving politics out of the forum. No need to come investigate your untruths, they are plainly evident to most intelligent beings in a number of your posts as are your unwarranted accusatory remarks toward other members of this board. It is not my board so it is not for me to ask you for documentation of any kind to remain on the board. Your inference that I am some kind of self appointed message board police is totally without merit as it seems the only member I have had any negative dealings with is you, and I am sure I am not alone in that regard. My problem with you has nothing to do with your philosophy specific to training methods, I fully recognize there are a number of approaches to training. My main problems with you are your snarky attitude displayed toward a number of members of this board (myself included), and your very obvious factitious allegations of rampant animal abuse within our community that only you seem to observe at unprecedentedly high frequencies. Too bad for you that folks on this forum just aren't as clueless as you assumed us to be. You pulled this same "crap" on another forum and it didn't take you but a few days to alienate members there as well. Hey, it must be us??? The members here are not stupid. I am done on this matter.

Irishwhistler

I didn't read this, but assuming gaslighting, I'm not a cop but I still think you're lying based on nothing other than I don't like what you have to say or how you say it, and I'm taking my toys and going home? Amiright? If you are going to take this huge step of accusing me of lying, prove it. Walk the talk, man.

[Labradorks]

https://youtu.be/FONN-0uoTHI

LOL. I used GIFs from from that movie on a fun work presentation yesterday and it was a big hit (scout's honor, I really do work, I really did use the GIFs and I really did a presentation ).

[IRISHWISTLER]

[QUOTE=Labradorks;147089]I didn't read this, but assuming gaslighting, I'm not a cop but I still think you're lying based on nothing other than I don't like what you have to say or how you say it, and I'm taking my toys and going home? Amiright? If you are going to take this huge step of accusing me of lying, prove it. Walk the talk, man.[/QUOTE

"I didn't read this" (but you know the exact context of the post) -Hmmm, you must be clairvoyant like The Great Kreskin or you lied. See how easy that was. Not a "huge step" at all. When I was a cop, I dealt with many, much more proficient liars than yourself. You are not even near good at it.

Irishwhistler