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    Quote Originally Posted by smartrock View Post
    In response, I would just say that when I got Chase I did not have the benefit of this lab board to ask about his breeder or his parents. I felt very comfortable with the breeder and we have been extremely happy with good old Chasey, who is now 10 1/2 years old, even though our relationship with the breeder has been pretty... hands off from her side. With Lark, I could tell that one of the breeders who is a member here had actually bred one of her boys to Larky's Mom in the past and I was able to get some feedback from this breeder on the parentage of our little girl, even if she was not specifically familiar with the breeder I was working with. I was able to get some history on the parents, temperament, her direct knowledge of the Mama, that sort of thing. I found it very valuable and comforting to get this sort of assurance. (Thanks, Piccadilly!) So, I think your description of the breeders on here is not accurate and if anything, I'd characterize it as insulting. Those with whom I've had direct contact I have found terrifically helpful and not at all self-absorbed nor full or themselves. I'd suggest you not cast aspersions upon those with whom you have had no personal contact based upon some impression you have of "breeders". My idea of your opinions is based solely upon what I've seen you write on here when in fact, you may be much nicer and open minded than your posts on here suggest.
    I am, thank you.
    But let's get to Shelley's post;
    "Just make sure you pass a breeder you are looking at through one of the breeders on here before you commit."
    Information- welcome,
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    Experiences-welcome,
    but I don't believe anyone's decision should have to be approved by another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfz View Post
    The price is all over.i have seen lab puppies from 2000 to 200 in new england . Gigi I got for 400 but she has a chocolate male and yellow lab/gsd mix female. But we saw the dogs and the 10 puppies . It was a bit more for a mix but I like the owners and the parents so paid . Seems 800 is a price that nets a nice specimen.

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    It was "a bit more for a mix"??? Why???

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRISHWISTLER View Post
    It was "a bit more for a mix"??? Why???

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    I meant it was bit more then what a mix puppy is being sold here. You can get a mix for 200 $ but will not see the parents or know what type of mix it is. I paid a bit more as I saw the puppies, where they were housed and parents in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie View Post
    I am, thank you.
    But let's get to Shelley's post;
    "Just make sure you pass a breeder you are looking at through one of the breeders on here before you commit."
    Information- welcome,
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    but I don't believe anyone's decision should have to be approved by another.

    Bernie,
    I don't believe Shelley was issuing this as some sort of mandate but rather as a helpful suggestion that the breeders that frequent this site might serve a resource that one can reach out to as a connection to folks that might surely be more experienced than a lesser experienced potential buyer, each case being different. Obviously nobody can insist you run your intention to buy a pup through themselves nor anybody else. At best, caveat emptor and do ye homework as has been suggested throughout the thread. JMHO.

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    I go to the dog park alot and it's a awesome resource . I have talked to more lab owners than any other breed . You can get a real feeling of how a dog is from a local breeders from current owners..

    I have a local breeder and every lab I have met from them has been amazing quality .Friendly , trainable and good reviews . I been recommending them to my mother in law.

    Ask around.


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    You know, this thread is one example why most of the breeders that used to frequent this site no longer do. Nobody I know in the breed thinks they know all there is to know about Labs. Yet in a case like this where the OP admits maybe he didn't make a great choice last time, as much as he loves his dog, and instead would like some feedback and help from people this time, instead gets sidetracked.

    Everyone can certainly find Lab puppies themselves with the internet or going to the dog park or looking at free ads, etc. Nobody here can mandate that you do anything. However, there is a large storehouse of knowledge and behind-the-scenes information about the people and dogs in the breed that is generally not available or easily accessed by the average pet person. You don't want to avail yourself of it, that's fine, but IMO Labs are one of the hardest purebreds to source when it comes to separating out the subpar breeders from ones that truly do their best to produce Labs with proper temperament, health, and looks. There's simply so many Labs bred every year that if your criteria is to find a Lab with the best chance at health that will act like a Lab should and conform to how a Lab should look, any extra breeder insight could be helpful.

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    well if the forum members find a healthy lab chocolate to go with my chili for a decent price, I am willing. due to my disabilities I cant drive more than a few hundred miles a day unless my wife or family member drives. I live in 87114, albuquerque nm. good home, retired, fenced back yard, sleeps inside(my bed), walks daily, dog parks weekly, acana food, pet insurance, lots of love....

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    Quote Originally Posted by IRISHWISTLER View Post
    Bernie,
    I don't believe Shelley was issuing this as some sort of mandate but rather as a helpful suggestion that the breeders that frequent this site might serve a resource that one can reach out to as a connection to folks that might surely be more experienced than a lesser experienced potential buyer, each case being different. Obviously nobody can insist you run your intention to buy a pup through themselves nor anybody else. At best, caveat emptor and do ye homework as has been suggested throughout the thread. JMHO.

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    Well, you believe what you want. I know what I read and I'm hard pressed to interrupt it any other way.
    It appears that some breeders here, (probably not all) want to refer their friends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie View Post
    "If someone is full of themselves they have an unrealistic and exalted sense of their own worth, importance, appearance, accomplishments, status, or influence. The idea is self-absorption with one's own qualities and believing they are superior to the qualities of all others."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie View Post
    Well, you believe what you want. I know what I read and I'm hard pressed to interrupt it any other way.
    It appears that some breeders here, (probably not all) want to refer their friends.
    First, this is a Labrador site, the breeders here are on here to help and share their experiences with Labradors. This is far and above the breeders that do not.
    Second, a breeder here on this site is going to have vast knowledge on Labradors. Mechanics, genetics, temperament, growth patterns, diseases, etc.
    Third, they are experienced, the knowledge they have on Labradors by far out outweighs most average owners. I personally have had Labradors since I was 7, I have learned more from the breeders here since being on the forums than I knew the other 30+ years. Do I agree with training philosophies, no not all of them. However the actual knowledge of the Labrador itself as an entity, they are far more knowledgeable than I.
    Fourth, I have never seen a breeder on here claim they know everything. However, if they do know, then they really know and can back it up.
    Fifth, None of the breeders here are breeding them in mass just to churn out puppies and make a profit, in fact they frown on that extensively. In this same thread Shelly says she keeps her prices low so families can get good pups.
    Sixth, If I was to get another puppy, my first pick would be to go to the breeders here. If I could not get them from one of the breeders here, I would certainly want their advice, opinion and recommendation. They are also quick to notice warning signs from more disreputable breeders, because that's what they do and have been doing for years. If it is a friend of theirs, then they talk to that friend, they know the lineage of that friend, they know the quality of that friends dogs. They are not recommending them just so they get a sale. They are recommending them because they honestly feel that friend is producing good Labradors for the right reasons. Labrador breeders talk to other Labrador breeders. They also share dogs to cross breed traits and to get fresh blood in their own kennels to prevent inbreeding. They get to know and vet other breeders and their dogs.

    Why the hell do you seem to think you need to attack everyone on the site? If you want to Troll people you can go to other sites like Reddit or something.

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    If you looking for a pet and it does not have to be pure bred there are lots of pets in need of homes please consider looking in the shelters. As far a costs in my are range from $1500 to $2000 from a respectable breeder.

    I hope you find what you looking for either way and I cant wait too see puppy pics

 



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