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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowshoe View Post
    So cute. I see their tails aren't docked, does that mean they can't be shown in conformation? We have talked many times about a smaller dog. Maybe an English Springer Spaniel again, or a Brittaney. But in field or show they dock the tails and we aren't keen on that.
    Not at all. In fact nowadays most show Welshies don't have docked tails. Neither of the parents of this litter are docked and the sire is a grand champion.


    Edit: I stand corrected. The sire does have a docked tale. The dam does not. She's being shown too though.

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    Aww ... so cute! Cookie used to nap in the litter box too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowshoe View Post
    So cute. I see their tails aren't docked, does that mean they can't be shown in conformation? We have talked many times about a smaller dog. Maybe an English Springer Spaniel again, or a Brittaney. But in field or show they dock the tails and we aren't keen on that.
    Many breeds that were traditionally docked are shown with tails intact, including Welsh Springers. Just this weekend at Beverly Hills KC show there were undocked English Cockers, Rottweilers, and my friend has multiple finished champions that are undocked Sussex Spaniels.

    Some breeds that are docked I think should remain docked. Some of the breeds (not the breed in this post) with traditionally docked tails have natural whip tails that break and bleed easily. Adult amputation and continuous tail injury is much different and worse IMO than responsible docking.

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    Way, way TTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOOO cute. O those soft little bellies!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dxboon View Post
    Some breeds that are docked I think should remain docked. Some of the breeds (not the breed in this post) with traditionally docked tails have natural whip tails that break and bleed easily. Adult amputation and continuous tail injury is much different and worse IMO than responsible docking.
    I’ve thought about this and can’t decide how I feel. For individual dogs, I think I agree with you, but I think that if docking wasn’t an option, maybe the breeders would pay more attention to selecting for better (more resilient) tails. Many of the traditionally docked breeds I see with tails now the tails are all over the place in type, size, etc. Maybe docking provides an easy way out but in the long run it might be better to breed for better tails? Not really sure, but something I’ve been contemplating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Annette47 View Post
    I’ve thought about this and can’t decide how I feel. For individual dogs, I think I agree with you, but I think that if docking wasn’t an option, maybe the breeders would pay more attention to selecting for better (more resilient) tails. Many of the traditionally docked breeds I see with tails now the tails are all over the place in type, size, etc. Maybe docking provides an easy way out but in the long run it might be better to breed for better tails? Not really sure, but something I’ve been contemplating.
    I just don't know how you breed for "better" tails in some breeds without changing the breed fundamentally. Some breeds in an undocked state have essentially thin tails with a covering of skin. There's not a lot of meat or thickness to them to cushion from harm. Would people in those breeds try to propagate thicker/stouter tails? To balance that out would structure in other areas need to compensate?

    I think cropping/docking should be left to individual parent clubs. I don't think animal rights people, or those not involved with these breeds should be allowed to legislate how they move forward. If people want uncropped/undocked dogs they can go to breeders whose practices they support, or they can buy a breed that is not affected by these practices. I don't want to see any more onerous legislation put on breeders.

 



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