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    no one is saying ALL SHELTERS and ALL RESCUES are reputable and good. There are bad/irresponsible rescues and bad/irresponsible shelters. Some will pump out dogs with zero screening, others wayyy too picky asking questionnably innapropriate questions while others yet are somewhere in the middle.

    Even if I disagree with it, I actually don't care if a rescue is too picky, their perogative and no dog is dying as it is safe in foster care so while it woudl be nice if they could pull more dogs, there is also nothign wrong with them wanting to be picky and concentrate on saving a few - you don't like a rescue's rules or screening, there are tons more to chose from with different rules and screening.

    Regarding shelters/pounds, generally seriously under funded and staff training and abilities range from none to very educated. There is room for improvement but generally trying to do what they can - if there are major issues in your local shelter most can use help of volunteers to make things better. Many shelters have greatly improved thanks to network of volunteers helping in various ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TuMicks View Post
    I have problems with shelters... not shelter animals.
    I apologize in advance for offending anyone, this is a topic that I feel very strongly about.

    I could not agree more with this statement. In my area there is a huge disconnect between the shelter owners/workers and a potential adopter. As I posted earlier in this thread I have had lots of problems trying to adopt a dog. One rescue required a fence so I wrote a polite email to see if they make exceptions to that rule under certain circumstances. The response I got was beyond rude and this particular women equated letting my current lab play in my unfenced yard to letting my child play in traffic. Mind you I have several acres of land and an electric fence not anywhere near a road. That is the type of nonsense that I have been dealing with. Meanwhile the dog that I am interested in sits in a kennel with several other dogs waiting to be adopted. In my opinion it is bad logic to equate having a fence with being a good pet owner. If your idea of exercising a dog is letting it out in your fenced yard, you are doing that animal a disservice. I truly believe that some of the rescues in my area do not actually want to adopt out the pets that they have in shelter and this is sort of a legal way to hoard animals. Please understand I am not saying all shelters are like this, but in my limited experience they are not necessarily looking out for the best interest of the dog/cat/whatever. The screening process can be absurd. I have been asked for tax returns, mortgage statements, future child planning, and page after page of application information. The amount of time and energy I have devoted to trying to rescue a dog is completely exhausting. I will provide a home that most dogs could only dream of having. Really the bottom line should be can I provide the dog a good home and a better environment than it currently has. If the answer is yes than the dog should be adopted. With these stringent requirements and hoops to jump through, please do not cry to me that you can not find homes for your dogs and xxx animals are put to sleep every year.

    Just to provide a bit more light on this situation, I decided to stay away from the rescues and found a perfectly suitable lab on craigslist. My current lab is 7 now and is starting to slow down in the goose blind so I wanted to get a companion for him and my young son to grow up with. This dog came from a family home, is 6 months old and was just way to much for this family to handle. He has been in my home for a few days, is still learning the rules and we are working on correcting all the bad habits he has. He is going to make a great family pet and companion to my current lab. They say is a pure bred lab but I have my doubts due to his size (big). It does not really matter to me. To exercise him I have begun obedience training and who knows maybe he will be hunt ready by the end of next year. He is not gun shy and shows strong retrieving instincts so I have a good start.

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    I have always had rescues... I would never pay for a dog. My aunt is big into the rescue groups, so I was raised to think this way. I've had dogs and cats and snakes and all other sorts of animals and I think you did the right thing by buying your puppy. As everyone else has said, who cares what they say. Rescue dogs come with issues 9 times out of 10 and I commend you for recognizing that you may not know how or be willing to deal with those extra issues. I just rescued one that has been tossed around for just this reason. But I know exactly what you're talking about. My Starla is 100% lab, came with papers and all... And she is a rescue. People assume I paid for her and ask all the questions you guys have been talking about. I can see in her why people would pay for a pup. She is brilliant and was so easy to train compared to the dogs I had growing up. She is actually the first dog I've trained myself. I still say rescue is the way to go, personally. The love a rescue gives you is amazing. They've been exposed to the hate of the world and it does change them. It's not always negativly. I think people being guilted into adopting because it's "the right thing to do" is how some end up tossed around so much. Starla picked my rescue, we didn't pick him.
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    Having fostered more than 30+ dogs MYSELF (mostly strays, some owner surrenders), saying that 9 out of 10 rescues dog have "issues" if COMPLETELY false.

    do they need a bit of training and to be taught house rules? yeah. some learn pretty darn fast.

    Are some dogs in shelters/pounds/rescues messed up? yes, absolutely. I had two fosters PTS for be havioural issues (aggression to humans). MOST are not. And if you go with a REPUTABLE GOOD RESCUE you will know what to expect.

    Look no one HAS To go the rescue route nor should anyone be GUILTED into it. to each their own, there are more than enough dogs to suit every need/want. I have two rescues and am planning for my next pup to come from a breeder.

    Some rescues/pounds/shleters ARE BAD and should be avoided, ABSOLTELY. But an example of a messed up dog here wtih aggression or a bad rescue wtih crazy strict requirements doesn't mean ALL RESCUES AND RESCUE DOGS ARE STUPID AND BAD. Just like not all BREEDERS are good/reputable. You have to do your research and ask questions.

    I am tired of these threads putting stuff out like "most rescue dogs are problem dogs". because that's just not true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanya View Post
    Having fostered more than 30+ dogs MYSELF (mostly strays, some owner surrenders), saying that 9 out of 10 rescues dog have "issues" if COMPLETELY false.

    do they need a bit of training and to be taught house rules? yeah. some learn pretty darn fast.
    It isn't COMPLETELY false.... You just contradicted yourself... 9 out 10 shelter dogs have extra issues that someone with no experience as a dog owner would know how to or want to deal with... Which is how dogs that have been adopted end up back in the shelter....

    all dogs need training. Shelter dogs DO require EXTRA training.... That's all I meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starla View Post
    It isn't COMPLETELY false.... You just contradicted yourself... 9 out 10 shelter dogs have extra issues that someone with no experience as a dog owner would know how to or want to deal with... Which is how dogs that have been adopted end up back in the shelter....

    all dogs need training. Shelter dogs DO require EXTRA training.... That's all I meant.
    I find it misleading to say a "shetler dog needs lots of extra training". compared to what? an 8 week old puppy that needs to be completely trained and socialized? I'd say many dogs from a rescue will be much less work than a puppy.

    compared to the average 8 week old puppy (or 6-7 week old) from a byb or random breeder?

    compared to the great wonderful amazing breeder that socialized and started training the pups?

    And I just meant normal house rules spefic to your house nor major rehab here. many knows basics like sit and house training.

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    I didn't say they need lots of extra training... I said most do require extra training. Especially the ones that have been tossed around from the streets, to a home, to a shelter, to a home, and back to a shelter to yet another home, then again back to a shelter for the first year or 2 of their lives... Picking up little bad habits here and there as he goes... That you then have to correct while trying to teach what he should have been taught at 8 weeks... Or better yet stuff that his mother probably would of taught him had he not been taken from her too soon... But yes, some dogs from a shelter will be less work then a puppy...
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