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    Three Reason to Reconsider spay/neuter

    Good article about spay/neuter compiling a few different studies.
    Three Reasons To Reconsider Spay/Neuter | Dogs Naturally Magazine

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    Whew, that is one "lively" list of comments after the article. Many made me really sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx&Emma View Post
    Whew, that is one "lively" list of comments after the article. Many made me really sad.
    I usually don't read comments - I've got enough stresses in my life

    That's very useful article, I wish that vets stopped spaying/neutering babies but the truth is that's their business so most of them encourage people to "cut" early... My Barney was castrated when he was over 3 years old so was fully developed. It's been over a year ago and so far everything is perfect. Tbh the only reason we castrated him was Shelby.

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    Unfortunately rescues and vets are working together to neuter/spay way too early to place their dogs in homes. 5-1/2 months, way too early for a female. Understand their thinking as rescues, along with Vets working with rescues/shelters, trying to stop accidental or intentional breeding. I believe in neuter/spay but will do it at the appropriate time.

    Don't know if the health of the dog is being really looked at. Long term that is.

    Thanks for sharing the article. I wish more people would understand that a dog really needs grow up before neutering/spaying. But with the trend that the rescue/vets going here, don't think so.

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    Wow, you're right, some of the comments are disappointing. I'm surprised some of the negative commenters are reading at that site at all.

    Remember, we have a lot, a lot, a lot of articles on the subject here:

    Neuter/Spay - Pros, Cons, Risks, Benefits - Research Article Links

    I don't think I will bother adding this one as we have all that information presented in some article or another already.

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    My thoughts/opinions may not be popular:

    I don't like one sided articles. It's easy to pick and choose just ONE side of things. Unlses you present a full picture of both pros and cons the article is just serving to change people's mind for better or for worse.

    I still personally believe the average dog owner should absolutely spay/neuter their dog. I have no issues with shelters and pounds doing it on babies because I know most people don't give a hoot what a shelter wants them to do. I have no issues with rescues doing it at 6 months (more and more rescues allow it to be done at 6 mts).

    I personally believe the average north american dog owner has no clue how to properly handle/manage an intact dog. We already get tons of "oops" litters which are not really "oops" - it's becaue the owners had insufficient knowledge to properly manage their intact dog(s).

    I personally think if someone wants to research and do things right, waiting until their dog is 2 years (matured) or even not doing it at all is fine. But this is FAR from something the average dog owner does (the research and being responsible part). And the issue is the average owner who won't do teh reserach will be positive they are good responsible owners.

    I personnaly plan to fix all my dogs. Rocky and Penny were rescues so they were not my call. I plan to get a pup from a breeder and wait until they are mature before having them fixed though.
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    When we had Maverick in to the vet she said flat out that they refused to neuter him before he reached 6months old. She recommended we wait as long as possible. We do plan on neutering but are going to wait as long as we can. It was refreshing hat our vet brought it up and put it out there to wait.

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    I avoid comment on almost any article posted on the internet since 99% of our nasty and stupid.

    Tanya:
    I agree with you to a certain extent, that most people should have their pets neutered. Way to many people are irresponsible and clueless, but the thing is vet and shelters are not educating people. How are we supposed to move past the problems we are having with shelter pets. Without educating them. If they are getting a female dog educate them on how they go into season 2 times a year. Set up some sort of training program. By educating them problems like unwanted litters can be decreased. I know it's idealized thinking, but I would think it could only benefit the animals.

    My vet pushed really hard to have Emma spayed at 6 months, and I'm going to spay her but it won't be till after she's matured. So around 18-24 month depending on her heat cycles. He did not once mention any of the benefits of leaving her intact. When I brought them up to her she like yes that stuff can happen when you leave them intact, but kept pushing hard on cancer/unwanted puppies/etc...

    The problem I have with shelters/rescues doing the early fixing. is when they fix a 8 week old puppy. That pup is so young, why can't they just wait. People are going to argue that then it will never get done, but put it into some sort of legal contract. It might not be enforceable 100% but I figure by having some legal paperwork it would scare most people into getting the pup fixed. They would be able to tell when the dog is registered for the rabies tag.

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    As a breeder and rescue volunteer, I have to agree with Tanya. You'd think with the information age as it is, that people would do MORE research when buying a dog, but I swear it's getting worse. With most inquiries, the first question is price, not health or temperament or suitability for the function in mind.

    Many lately want guarantees that "xyz" won't happen to their dog if they buy from me. Cruciates are a v hot topic lately, and when I ask the folks (who sometimes name breeders they've bought from) when they neutered, they are shocked that quite possibly their early spay/neuter had a lot to do with the problem, not the breeder!

    All this info is out there, yet people aren't reading it. Health clearances are another topic that people aren't reading up on (because those pups are too expensive maybe??). It's easier to point blame elsewhere, I guess. I'd have to hold my breath trusting those folks w/ an intact animal for sure, because nothing is ever their fault and there is always someone else out there to clean up their messes. Anne

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanya View Post
    My thoughts/opinions may not be popular: I don't like one sided articles. It's easy to pick and choose just ONE side of things. Unlses you present a full picture of both pros and cons the article is just serving to change people's mind for better or for worse. I still personally believe the average dog owner should absolutely spay/neuter their dog. I have no issues with shelters and pounds doing it on babies because I know most people don't give a hoot what a shelter wants them to do. I have no issues with rescues doing it at 6 months (more and more rescues allow it to be done at 6 mts). I personally believe the average north american dog owner has no clue how to properly handle/manage an intact dog. We already get tons of "oops" litters which are not really "oops" - it's becaue the owners had insufficient knowledge to properly manage their intact dog(s). I personally think if someone wants to research and do things right, waiting until their dog is 2 years (matured) or even not doing it at all is fine. But this is FAR from something the average dog owner does (the research and being responsible part). And the issue is the average owner who won't do teh reserach will be positive they are good responsible owners. I personnaly plan to fix all my dogs. Rocky and Penny were rescues so they were not my call. I plan to get a pup from a breeder and wait until they are mature before having them fixed though.
    It's true the average North American has no clue. I didn't until I picked up Daisy and the breeder-- she was 7 months old and it didn't even occur to me that she might still be intact. After a lot of research I let her go through a heat cycle. It made me nervous though because it's not something any of my friends/family have ever done. I got comments from educated people warning me that I could get an "oops" litter even if she wasn't in heat. Friends who thought she was going to go into heat once a month and my sister who expected her to be aggressive and attract all the male dogs in the neighborhood even when she wasn't in heat. I had a vet asking me if I was going to breed her every time I came in. The doggy daycare was stunned that I didn't spay her as a puppy but they were actually great about letting her come. Intact dogs just make people nervous around here. I don't think it's that hard to keep (female dogs anyway) under house arrest for a month but it is amazing how foolish people can be sometimes.
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