acupuncture? and rapid decline

[capra]

I am so very sorry. Cookie's physical therapist told me that in the beginning of treatment it may happen that they feel worse. I wonder if that happened to Cilek. I have no experience with acupuncture though.

I really hope so.
I regret doing this treatment to her but I will never know if it's related to electro acupuncture or not.

[capra]

Gosh, I'm hoping everything settles back to normal. I'd worry more abut the herbs than the acupuncture but I'm just not into herbal "remedies" in general. I'm glad her blood tests came back OK. Sending my best thoughts that this clears up.

Me too. I'm not into any kind of alternative treatment but some of my friends had very good improvements with their dogs so I tried. Maybe they really help but not helped to us.

[capra]

Do you know which herbs were used? You might be able to find side effects for each one and see if you get a match to her symptoms.

Hi Barb,

These are the new supplements. Double P II is the one which causes nausea. I googled it and see that it's used with acupuncture regularly. But I also read that it might be toxic.

[Nancy0]

I'm so sorry this is happening. I agree with Smartrock that the herbs scare me more than the acupuncture. I tried a few different supplements with Charlie that had herbs and all they did was make him sick. I hope Cliek feels better soon.

[SunDance]

The Double P II sounds scary...I found a bunch of sites cautioning against two of the ingredients. Check out this forum: Tripawds Blogs » Tripawd Support Discussion Forums About Dog and Cat Amputation Surgery, Cancer Care and Three Legged Pets » Three Legged Dog Cat Pet Cancer Amputation Care Recovery Tips Help Support

[smartrock]

One of the board members is a vet who seems to use a variety of complementary medicine approaches. He mentioned Zeel not long ago as something that has been used pretty successfully. I am unfamiliar with the Double P II but what I've read is not confidence inspiring.

Here's the thread where Dr Thomas mentions the use of Zeel.

Helping my dogs arthritis?

[Berna]

I wonder if there's something else going on and it just coincided with the acupuncture and the herbs. I'd do a full blood panel, to be honest what worries me the most is that she is not eating.

[capra]

I wonder if there's something else going on and it just coincided with the acupuncture and the herbs. I'd do a full blood panel, to be honest what worries me the most is that she is not eating.

I did it. Yesterday. Everything is fine.
I'm also worried most about not eating.

[Berna]

I did it. Yesterday. Everything is fine.
I'm also worried most about not eating.

This is puzzling. If it was poisoning from the herbs, wouldn't it show in the blood panel, like elevated kidney or liver levels?

[capra]

First of all thank you all for the support. You make me not feel lonely at this difficult time.

Double p II normal dosage for her weight is 6 capsules daily. I gave her just 1 capsule for 3 days with food.
I gave Zeel 2 tablets daily for 3 days.
These can't cause that much trouble. Ok I accept that especially Double P II might cause nausea etc. but Cilek's condition is much more than that.
I really hope that this is still an adverse reaction to one of them. I gave her the last dosage 41 hours ago. She is still not eating.
I don't think she has nausea right now. It seems like she just doesn't want to eat. I tried a few things. Boiled chicken, liver, fish, peanut butter, banana, yogurt etc. Yesterday night I gave her light milk which I never give and she drank it. She drank about 300 ml. In the morning she did not eat anything. I don't know what to do. She is already thin because of her arthritis I made her loose weight.

Can you suggest anything? How can I make her eat?

Thinking about something I gave her caused her suffer makes me feel awful. I regret taking her to the vet last Thursday. I wish we just stayed at home.

By the way, she isn't in pain. I'm not considering euthanasia at this point.

I'll add her photos and try to add some videos.