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    Elena ~ Danny turned 8 in March.

    I rechecked Sunnie's papers from when she had her one-time elevation and found where it was the ALT. I'm going to put Dan on the protocol that was recommended by the specialist for her. In addition to the Denamarin, I've ordered a homeopathic product from Native Remedies called Liver Aid and am increasing the salmon oil to twice a day (also increasing the vitamin E to daily).

    Something I remembered and the timing seems like it could be likely..... Since this elevation could also indicate trauma, I'm wondering if the time Sunnie banged into "something" and drove one of her canines through her lip, she had actually bumped into Danny in "just the right spot" and caused this. I always figured she hit Danny because there was no indication that she smacked into something harder like the shed they were running toward (and stopping at abruptly). I don't know if trauma would cause continuing elevation.

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    Oban's liver values went wonky while he was recovering from his massive diarrhoea. It took only a few months of supplements to bring them back to normal. As things were going for the poor boy at the time this was relatively minor and I forget the values and the supplements. Will see if I can find them

    IS Danny kept up to date on vaccinations? Some Vets see a link between them and liver values. Oban's Vet gives him a liquid for 10 days to help the body deal with vaccination. Of course I will have to look that up too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowshoe View Post
    Oban's liver values went wonky while he was recovering from his massive diarrhoea. It took only a few months of supplements to bring them back to normal. As things were going for the poor boy at the time this was relatively minor and I forget the values and the supplements. Will see if I can find them

    IS Danny kept up to date on vaccinations
    ? Some Vets see a link between them and liver values. Oban's Vet gives him a liquid for 10 days to help the body deal with vaccination. Of course I will have to look that up too.
    We stopped all vaccinations other than rabies (required). Their last rabies shots were last year. We discontinued lepto as of last year or the year before, I forget which. Others were stopped in earlier years.

    He hasn't had any bowel irregularities recently to account for his values...well, they've been ongoing increases so you'd probably figure that he hasn't been allowed to have four years of unchecked diarrhea.

    I'd be interested in knowing what Oban was given pre-shots....Dan's next rabies shot is scheduled for 2019 and I sure hope he'll be around for that.

    I see from Sunnie's papers that her x-rays in 2015 and 2016 showed that her liver was slightly small. Not a biggie per the vet. Didn't do x-rays this year.

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    I don't think a trauma will cause a continuous elevation of the liver values, unless the liver is physically damaged. As you know, Cookie was hit by a car (major trauma) and when we did bloodwork a few months later, everything came back normal. I'd think it's something environmental (like flee/tick repellents, vaccines, environmental toxins (maybe he sniffed or licked something), medication (is he on any?), and even kibble (the additives, the added synthetic vitamins) all of these can make the liver work overtime). 8 is not old at all. Keeping my fingers crossed for values returning back to normal, they should. If not, I'd do an ultrasound.
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    OK....just talked to the vet.

    As I suspected...and Elena, too....trauma won't cause increasing levels over time.

    MSM could easily be the culprit....but all that's anecdotal and depends on the individual dog. Dan getting that other supplement with MSM for a few years fits into the theory. Now he's getting Cosequin so the MSM should be a continuous source. I'm hoping continuing things (benign or otherwise) would respond to the Denamarin and keep his liver happy.

    My intended protocol for Dan, based on Sunnie's previous recommendations, sounds good to the vet.

    Oh, and his right hip doesn't look any worse than it did on a previous x-ray (he seems to have some HD ouchies from time to time on his right side). His left hip actually looks a wee bit worse, though. Not that this is part of the liver discussion....

    Yeah, Elena, I actually suspect everything. Dan is really sensitive to a lot of things and has had reactions along the way (including one to Immodium...whichever one it is that's OK for dogs...vet suggestion that one time....that caused hemorrhagic gastroenteritis).

    The Denamarin arrives today, the Liver Aid in about a week, and he started on his doubled-up dosing of salmon oil this morning.

    Fingers crossed.

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    Yukon had "marked" increase by 20 fold in ALT values last October. His ALT was close to 3000 and I didn't think he was going to make it. This was due to Rimadyl that he was on for a couple weeks due to neck injury. He went on Denamarin for several months and obviously stopped the Rimadyl. He recovered fully from the liver issues and his values now are normal. His symptoms at the time were almost complete inappetence and vomiting. An ultrasound was done, which showed normal organs including liver, so it was logical his situation was brought on by a substance his body found toxic.

    I hope the Denamarin helps your pup. It's a very good product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SunDance View Post
    I'd be interested in knowing what Oban was given pre-shots...
    I have used it all up but it was a mixture of different things. And for his rabies shot he got two different supplements. One had Thuga in it. Thuga is commonly used to help the body deal with different vaccinations. ONe I gave him the morning of the shot, then for 10 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by outrag View Post
    Yukon had "marked" increase by 20 fold in ALT values last October. His ALT was close to 3000 and I didn't think he was going to make it. This was due to Rimadyl that he was on for a couple weeks due to neck injury. He went on Denamarin for several months and obviously stopped the Rimadyl. He recovered fully from the liver issues and his values now are normal. His symptoms at the time were almost complete inappetence and vomiting. An ultrasound was done, which showed normal organs including liver, so it was logical his situation was brought on by a substance his body found toxic.

    I hope the Denamarin helps your pup. It's a very good product.

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    Was it just ALT? How about other values, ALP etc? I'm asking because my vet told me if there is a damage because of Rimadyl, both ALT and ALP increases which I suspect.

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    Hi Barb,

    Just sending my good thoughts for Danny.
    I don't know much about liver values. I just know that if something serious is going on, both ALP and ALT increases and dog vomits.
    I hope Danny's ALT values drops back to normal soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowshoe View Post
    I have used it all up but it was a mixture of different things. And for his rabies shot he got two different supplements. One had Thuga in it. Thuga is commonly used to help the body deal with different vaccinations. ONe I gave him the morning of the shot, then for 10 days.
    The next shots are in 2019....I just bookmarked a Thuja product. Sure can't hurt. Thank you!!!

 



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