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    Kidney value's

    Since True has been on Metacam for a few months the vet wanted to do a blood panel. Two weeks ago she thought his calcium was a little high but was more concerned about the creatine. We did a recheck and urineanalysis two weeks later. Bun is 16, calcium down from 11.9 to 10.7. Creatine at last check was 1.6 , now is 1.5.
    I am not familiar with reading these numbers, from what I have read it doesn't seem alarming. Can anyone give me some insight? We have cut his metacam in half and the vet said he needs to be monitored carefully and be on a KD diet. That food looks horrible and I need to figure out if it's really necessary or can I adjust his current diet?

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    Long shot, but you don't by chance go to Brookfield vet, do you? Just wondering because we are dealing with kidney issues and I question their judgment. We've been on the kidney food for about two months now and his numbers have improved, but I hate the food (he seems to be shedding excessively and I'm watching some licking tendencies). Not sure what to do from here.

    I will look at his numbers tomorrow and let you know more on that. Patty (snowco Labradors) had given me some great advice.

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    No, we don't use that vet. I would be interested to find out if these numbers require such a drastic change in diet. True has had an inconclusive diagnosis of either a nasal tumor or fungal infection....long story. Becouse of that I have been homecooking half of his food for the higher protein and lower carbs which is exactly the opposite of a kidney diet. I have to wonder if he couldn't just have a moderate protein/carb diet instead of the nasty KD food.
    Have you considered homecooking? It's great that his numbers have improved, which kidney food are you using?

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    Hope True is ok. I'm using the royal canin kidney moderate protein. Yes, I want to do at least some home cooking, but unfortunately life has been a little too hectic lately for me to do all the research I need to do.

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    [QUOTE="monsterpup;16313"]Hope True is ok. I'm using the royal canin kidney moderate protein. Yes, I want to do at least some home cooking, but unfortunately life has been a little too hectic lately for me to do all the research I need to do.[/QUOTE

    Renal MP I meant. Sorry, hit enter too soon! I will look up all the numbers and post again in the morning.

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    It has been my understanding that you really want a good quality protien food for kidney issues. Usually the opposite of what most vets will tell you. You could pm Patty at Snowco Labs, she has some great info in dealing with kidney issues and she is very helpful. Good thoughts for Trueby!
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    You do not want or need low protein. It is the quality of the protein that is important. You need to get a copy of the blood work from your vet so we can see the normal range from the lab they use for testing, in order to see how off your dog's levels are.

    Here is more info on what I did for my KF girl. Don't hesitate to PM or call me for more help if you want to.

    Unfortunately the blog site I use is not working right now (they are working on it). But if you call me I will pull my girls file and go over it all with you on the phone. You need to do this by Thur night because I am away on weekends (Fri till Mon night) and do not have my dog files with me.

    Here is the blog anyway. Keep checking as it may be back up in a few days (I hope)

    https://www.heartypet.com/blog/?p=86

    From memory, CoQ10, EPA/DHA fish oil to bowel tolerance (meaning more than one a day but increase gradually), Vit. E, and added quality protein to the kibble are all helpful for KF. You also need a phosphorous binder for the added protein (I used crushed egg shells). And the kibble you choose should be 1% or lower in phosphorous. I used Royal Canine Max Mature 26 (phos. at .6) back in 2003 but there may be others on the market now with low phos.

    You can also go to www.dogaware.com in the mean time. Lots of good info on KF there.

    Edited: his numbers may not be alarming but won't know till I see the normal range from the lab. Catch it now and you may be able to reverse it all or at least keep it in check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowco Labradors View Post
    You do not want or need low protein. It is the quality of the protein that is important. You need to get a copy of the blood work from your vet so we can see the normal range from the lab they use for testing, in order to see how off your dog's levels are.

    Here is more info on what I did for my KF girl. Don't hesitate to PM or call me for more help if you want to.

    Unfortunately the blog site I use is not working right now (they are working on it). But if you call me I will pull my girls file and go over it all with you on the phone. You need to do this by Thur night because I am away on weekends (Fri till Mon night) and do not have my dog files with me.

    Here is the blog anyway. Keep checking as it may be back up in a few days (I hope)

    https://www.heartypet.com/blog/?p=86

    From memory, CoQ10, EPA/DHA fish oil to bowel tolerance (meaning more than one a day but increase gradually), Vit. E, and added quality protein to the kibble are all helpful for KF. You also need a phosphorous binder for the added protein (I used crushed egg shells). And the kibble you choose should be 1% or lower in phosphorous. I used Royal Canine Max Mature 26 (phos. at .6) back in 2003 but there may be others on the market now with low phos.

    You can also go to www.dogaware.com in the mean time. Lots of good info on KF there.

    Edited: his numbers may not be alarming but won't know till I see the normal range from the lab. Catch it now and you may be able to reverse it all or at least keep it in check.
    Thank you for that information. I will try to email his kidney panel today. True is allergic to beef, wheat and fish so our choices are limited. He is currently eating 1/2 CN chicken and rice 1/2 homecooked ( turkey, egg, vegetables , oatmeal, flaxseed). Cottage cheese and yogurt a couple times a week. I am trying Krill oil , will see if he tolerates it better than the fish oil. How often should they get the crushed egg shells?

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    You give the egg shells each time you add quality cooked protein to a kibble meal. I gave a fried egg or about 1/2 cup of cooked chop meat or chicken in each meal and always added the egg shells, about 1/4 tsp. Proper amt to give as to amt. of additional protein given is on the dogaware site.

    From her site:

    "YOU MUST ADD 1/2 TEASPOON GROUND EGGSHELL (or 1,000 mg plain calcium) PER POUND OF FOOD FED TO EACH MEAL. This is so the calcium will act as a phosphorus binder, not just to balance out the calciumhosphorus ratio. Do not add calcium if it is elevated in your dog's blood work (ask your vet about using other calcium binders instead). If you do not want to use ground eggshell, you can use other forms of calcium instead (see Phosphate Binders for more information). Never use bone meal as a source of calcium, as it contains high amounts of phosphorus. Fish Oil is another important supplement. You should give 1,000 mg fish oil (body oil, not liver oil) per 10 lbs of your dog's body weight daily. The omega-3 fatty acids in fish oil help protect the kidneys and are one of the best things you can do for a dog with kidney problems.
    Other supplements that may be helpful are Vitamin B-Complex, and small amounts of Vitamins C and E. Don't add Vitamin D (or cod liver oil) beyond minimum amounts to dogs with kidney problems unless directed to by your vet. It is also best to avoid supplementing with large amounts of Vitamin A as well unless in the form of beta carotene. "

    Fresh protein has a lot of phos. so you must give the binder at the same time. This helps bind the phos and take it out of the body preventing build up and elevated phos in blood work.

    I got your PM but not your email. Go check your PMs.

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    Thanks Patty! You have a wealth of information. I called Natura and the phosphorous level for the chicken and rice is 1.34. 3.79 gr. per 1000 calories. I am adding the eggshells per meal while I search for something under 1%. I thought I would post that here in case anyone needs to know the phosphorous levels. Also I didn't see Ethoxyquin in the Hills SD KD when I looked it up online, but I do remember seeing it on one of the foods they showed me which is probably one that had fish oil that he can't have anyway. Trying the Krill oil again today, so far so good.

 



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