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      Quote Originally Posted by Snowshoe View Post
      EIC is genetic. If you are worried about it then you should check that the parents have been tested. You can guarantee your new pup will not have EIC if .... here, I'll put a link so you can read from it.

      Exercise-Induced Collapse (EIC)
      Yes, I understand that its genetic and how it works
      I have a three year old I want to test.
      And Im not sure if the breeder we are getting the pup from tests, so we offered to pay to have her tested before we pay for her


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      Oh, now I understand why you'd test a puppy. But why not find a breeder who does all those health checks? What about CNM? It's genetic too. I think you'd be assured of puppy not having some heart and eye problems too, if the breeder did those checks.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Snowshoe View Post
      Oh, now I understand why you'd test a puppy. But why not find a breeder who does all those health checks? What about CNM? It's genetic too. I think you'd be assured of puppy not having some heart and eye problems too, if the breeder did those checks.
      Im waiting to hear back from the breeder as to what tests he actually does. But if need be, we are willing to test the pup ourself. I know he does eyes, and they are OFAed, just waiting to hear back if they are genetic tested too

      We want an American Style Lab, and theirs only one other local breeder I found that I like and seems like a good ethical breeder. But, his pups for the year are spoken for. And an extra $800.
      With some really hard personal things that have happened over the past 6 months, hubby has gotten me a puppy, to make things a little easier and knowing I needed something like this after so much loss.
      This puppy has a hold deposit on it already, another reason Im not just looking else where.

      I know not totally the best way to go about it all.... haha... I like doing things a little backwards I guess


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      I prefer DDC or Pawprints, but Gensol is used by some breeders as well. Testing can get expensive, so I would find the deal.

      We have an EIC affected dog. He has had 1 episode. It looks just like heat exhaustion, like the dog is drunk and the back legs don't work. He had it happen at 18 months and he's 10 now. We recognize what happened that day and he's never been in that situation again. Hot day, LOTS of running, wasn't drinking, about 2 hours of activity...

      Most breeders are running the Labrador Genetic panel from Pawprints these days, so it's pretty common for even the lesser quality breeders to know the EIC status of their parents. I know you aren't willing to give up a deposit but in the future, that's a question you ask before you hand over money.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JenC View Post
      I prefer DDC or Pawprints, but Gensol is used by some breeders as well. Testing can get expensive, so I would find the deal.

      We have an EIC affected dog. He has had 1 episode. It looks just like heat exhaustion, like the dog is drunk and the back legs don't work. He had it happen at 18 months and he's 10 now. We recognize what happened that day and he's never been in that situation again. Hot day, LOTS of running, wasn't drinking, about 2 hours of activity...

      Most breeders are running the Labrador Genetic panel from Pawprints these days, so it's pretty common for even the lesser quality breeders to know the EIC status of their parents. I know you aren't willing to give up a deposit but in the future, that's a question you ask before you hand over money.
      I prefer DDC also. I've not used Pawprints because I hated how they were openly supportive to diluters in the past. It annoys me that they are the only people outside of Optigen that I can use to have my prcd-PRA results posted to OFA. Honestly, anyone who is breeding that is not running genetic tests because they are claiming they're too expensive, shouldn't be breeding. The cost of these types of panels, where you send in swabs to a laboratory, is minimal. What do these breeders do when faced with whelping costs if something goes wrong with their dam or the puppies?

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      My problem with Pawprints really goes beyond the diluters to include all the uneducated breeders out there. They don't learn what to test for and why, they just buy the whole Panel and any additional panels and think they are doing something "Right". Half the tests really aren't needed in our breed, and they can't even be bothered to do the littlest effort of working with their dogs.

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      Eic

      Thank you guys.

      Yes, I do understand that... my husband had gotten his dog from him, shes a fantastic girl, so we wanted another like her, weve suffered losses of two babies, and some family over the past year. He wanted to surprise me with something to cheer my up, knowing a puppy is something I wanted. That being said, while waiting to hear back from the breeder, I searched through the OFA database, not all dogs are tested(at least through labs that post go through OFA) but those that are, are clear. There was none affected, and no carries.
      Our three year old has a half sister and other relatives tested, and they were clear.
      So Im not too worried at this point. I will still have her tested, and want the puppy tested, and if she were to be affected, I would at that point, drop the deposit. But again, Im not horribly worried..

      Thank you for all your input everyone.


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      EIC isn't commonly found in the OFA database. They don't offer a "clearance" like they do for hips and elbows. With those, a vet takes and xray and sends them to OFA for a reading. If the reading passes the criteria, you get a passing score and a certificate. Then you are listed in their database. As a service to breeders, OFA will accept results on the genetic DNA tests from other testing places (for a fee) and include it online with hips and elbows. Not all breeders care about putting ALL results on OFA if they have a certificate from the lab stating the dog is clear of a disease.

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      Yes I know that
      Im just saying the ones that were on the OFA database were listed as clear, and the majority of his dogs are all related in one small way or another. Im just saying Im not super worried about it at this point, and will be testing the pup before shes brought home if he doesnt have test results himself.


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      Quote Originally Posted by Jodoin95 View Post
      Hello,
      I was wondering if anyone has felt with EIC before... I have a three year old female and my vet and I are debating if it’s something she has or if the few episodes last summer were from the heat and due to not really being used to running around as much as she should.

      Also, if anyone has good recommendations for a lab for genetic testing? GenSol Lab, and Vet DNA Center are two affordable ones I was looking at... any insight? EIC is the only test I’m looking at doing right now.



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      Quote Originally Posted by dxboon View Post
      I prefer DDC also. I've not used Pawprints because I hated how they were openly supportive to diluters in the past. It annoys me that they are the only people outside of Optigen that I can use to have my prcd-PRA results posted to OFA. Honestly, anyone who is breeding that is not running genetic tests because they are claiming they're too expensive, shouldn't be breeding. The cost of these types of panels, where you send in swabs to a laboratory, is minimal. What do these breeders do when faced with whelping costs if something goes wrong with their dam or the puppies?
      So EIC is a inherited as a simple recessive, meaning both parents have to be either affected, or carriers for an offspring to be affected. If a clear is bred to an affected, all the puppies will be carriers, if two carriers are bred together, there can be clears, carriers and affecteds in the litter, if a clear is bred to a carrier, there will be possible carriers and clears in the litter, clear to clear will produce all clears. carriers are OK because they will never exhibit signs of the disease.

      Anyways, DDC is my preferred laboratory for disease DNA testing for the same reasons as Daos and Jen, I don't care for Paw Prints' alignment with the diluters, and their panel that lends legitimacy to pet breeders that do their panel and no other testing.

      Most breeders, even not so great quality breeders should know the EIC status of the parents ahead of time to ensure they aren't producing affecteds, it is not an expensive test to do, along with a few other tests that are simple recessive. Your breeder should be able to readily explain to you their breeding strategy for preventing affected puppies, since they should know if at least one parent is EIC clear/normal. I am hoping that your breeder will have this answer for you, and has done all of the other accepted breeding health screenings, if not, you may save money and heartache but relinquishing your deposit. If you opt to go forward, to have the puppy tested for EIC, make sure the puppy has verifiable permanent identification, that is printed on the DDC results page, so that you know the puppy you are getting, is for sure the puppy that was tested.

      Good luck to you, and please keep us posted and let us know if you have any questions.

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