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    Quote Originally Posted by Tanya View Post
    big hugs. you'll both get thru this but i can only imagine how devastating this has been for you.
    Thank you! We sure will get through. The thought of the bone cysts really wears on me though. Looking forward to the trip to MSU!

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    I think taking Samson with might be a great idea. If anything he might add some comfort to you. I think its cool enough to leave him on the car and they may even let you bring him in. I often take both girls to each others appointments.

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    I didn't have the time to reply, but I have read all the comments.

    My question, because I really don't know and I don't doubt what you wrote: how is end-stage arthritis different from the bone cysts, since both conditions end up with eaten up cartilage, pain, and limited range of motion?

    Again, I don't doubt anyone, and I by no means want to intervene in the OP's decision, just wondering why a surgery is a must if the outcome is the same?
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    Asher is only two. He did not have bone cysts in April. Now he has multiple subchondral bone cysts. Also, in April, he did not have any bone spurs. Now he has several. To add on to that, in April his joint was not deformed. Now it is. As the cysts spread and weaken his bone, he is susceptible to great pain and a fracture. In addition, the cysts turn the cartilage very hard. Akron surgeon is hoping he can make it 2 yrs conservatively. He said cysts are aggressive and are not the same as arthritis.

    I will be sure to take good notes at MSU and share. Still trying to get OSU to send me my records. They suck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berna View Post
    I didn't have the time to reply, but I have read all the comments.

    My question, because I really don't know and I don't doubt what you wrote: how is end-stage arthritis different from the bone cysts, since both conditions end up with eaten up cartilage, pain, and limited range of motion?

    Again, I don't doubt anyone, and I by no means want to intervene in the OP's decision, just wondering why a surgery is a must if the outcome is the same?
    Arthritis results in excess bone growth; bone cysts usually eat away at the bone, so there is bone loss, not just cartilage. My friend's 14 year old son had one in his femur and the bone collapsed while he was walking one day. They had to insert a titanium rod to replace the bone, but part of the surgery was to remove the cyst so it couldn't spread any further - they were just fortunate it was benign as osteosarcoma was suspected at first. I don't know if the OP's dog's cysts are the same thing, but I would suspect similar issues.
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    I wish you the best of luck as you navigate the treatment plan for sweet Asher!

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    Sorry to hear about Asher, will keep you both in our thoughts.
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    Well, they didnt send me the image but I did receive the findings.

    Imaging Report for ASHER CAN 1882671

    Findings:

    Righpt Elbow: The medial coronoid process is blunted. An irregularly marginated, concave defect is within the axial articular margin of the medial aspect of the humeral condyle with sclerosis of the subchondral bone surrounding the defect. Several small, angular mineral bodies are within the elbow joint. Moderate osteophytes/enthesophytes are on the anconeal process, medial coronoid process, radial head, humeral condyle, and medial and lateral humeral epicondyles. There is moderate ulnar subtrochlear sclerosis.

    Right Shoulder: The osseous structures and soft tissues are within normal limits.

    Left Elbow: The medial coronoid process is blunted. A focal, branching defect is within the axial articular margin of the medial aspect of the humeral condyle; the cortical articular margin is complete in this region and there is no subchondral sclerosis surrounding this defect, indicating that this defect likely represents a normal synovial or vascular invagination. Several small, angular mineral bodies are within the elbow joint with immediately adjacent to the medial coronoid process and one cranial to the humeral condyle near the radial head. Moderate osteophytes/enthesophytes are on the anconeal process, medial coronoid process, radial head, humeral condyle, and medial and lateral humeral epicondyles. There is mild ulnar subtrochlear sclerosis.

    Left Shoulder: The osseous structures and soft tissues are within normal limits.

    Conclusion:

    Bilateral fragmented medial coronoid processes
    Right humeral condylar osteochondrosis dissecans.
    Moderate bilateral elbow degenerative joint disease.
    Unremarkable bilateral shoulders.
    Recommendation:

    JF

    Dr. Eric Hostnik Eric T. Hostnik, DVM, MS, DACVR

    Please see attached report for more details

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    I don't see cysts being mentioned anywhere. What I understand is that Asher has FCP, a type of ED, and it's not uncommon.
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