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    2nd the question from dynamicgang. I was told that a divider should be used to make the crate as small as possible. Pups learn in the whelping box to not eliminate where they sleep so they will all find the same corner. As the pup realizes that he/she needs to eliminate outside, you can make the crate bigger.

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    If I were you, I would really limit her space in the crate. You probably think it's small enough, but it may not be. I know it sounds mean to make it super small, but that's what I would do, at least until she's gone a few days without an accident. I would give her just enough space to lay down and that's it. It sounds like you get her out very frequently and at 12 weeks, she should be able to hold it more than 2-3 hours. My 12-week-old puppy just went 11 hours overnight last night (I didn't make him, he just slept that long). He couldn't do that during the day, but I left him for 4 hours yesterday and he was fine. You just need to break this ASAP before it becomes too much of a habit and then as she grows, she'll gain better control and be able to hold it longer.

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    How long is the pup in the crate? do you let them out right before going in? At that age, Bacon was going out every 3 or so hours at night. Jake and I would set an alarm and take turns taking him out. Even if he wasnt awake asking to go out.
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    LOL, well I'm opposite to some above, I'd give her more room. A really big crate or even a pen so she can pee and not have to lie in it. To my thinking if she chooses to pee away from where she sleeps then she is on the way to being trained. All you have to do is work on getting her outside to the place you want her to use. To that end I echo the question about a UTI and whether 2 hours is frequently enough. At that age mine might have needed out much more often if we were playing or there was activity in the house to stimulate them. Even the sound of us talking to someone who came to the door was exciting enough to make them need to pee.

    Mine communicated their need to pee to me telepathically. They'd think, "Need to pee." And if I didn't receive the message they did. In other words till I got better reception I had to guess and get them out first.

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    Personally, I would change up what you are doing. Get an x-pen, put in a blanket, some toys and a puppy pad. Might teach pup to target where she is peeing.

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    Needing to pee and learning to hold it versus just peeing whenever she has to is what you want to teach. I disagree with giving more room, or with giving her a blanket or pad to pee on. Getting her out every 2 hours while you're at work and she should just be sleeping is more than sufficient. It's more than my puppy gets and he's the same age. Giving more room in a crate invites them to potty in it and you really don't want them to learn that is OK. Besides, there's no way to avoid laying in it when a dog pees in a crate, it runs all over the pan no matter where they do it. I don't like puppy pads either, unless you are going to be gone a long time and have no choice. IMO, they make housetraining take much longer because you are teaching the pup that going potty inside is OK. I've also never met a puppy that doesn't love to shred them. But if you think your puppy needs to get a little bigger and older before you can try the crate training again, and you don't mind the housebreaking taking longer, than you could try it. I think you just need a little tough love for a short time. You've ruled out a medical issue, so this is purely a training/behavioral issue.

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    I have no advice but you're already getting some good advice. I just wanted to wish you well. Ava was my challenge puppy. Previous dogs house broke in no time. When she was a growing pup, she urinated in her crate all the time no matter what I tried, even when she was old enough to hold it and had proven that she could. It took many months to get past this. I hope it goes faster for you, I never did figure out what was going on with Ava. I kept a bed in her crate that was easy to wash and that absorbed the urine so she stayed clean. I tried her with no bedding and she would be covered in urine but still did it so I went back to the bed to keep her clean.
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    I personally don't agree with a lot of the advice here.

    Putting newspaper in the crate for the pup to pee on (if the pup was weaned onto newspaper by the breeder) than you are giving the okay to pee in the crate.

    Using an x-pen with wee pads is also letting the pup know its ok to pee inside.

    You are trying to train the pup to go "outside".

    Making the crate smaller or larger will not help IMO. She needs enough room to stand up turn around and lay down. Too much room gives her space to defecate or pee in her crate and lay down away from the defecation.

    Are you sure this pup does not have a UTI (urinary tract infection) or a RV (recessed vulva)? Just a thought.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3ChocMom View Post
    Needing to pee and learning to hold it versus just peeing whenever she has to is what you want to teach. I disagree with giving more room, or with giving her a blanket or pad to pee on. Getting her out every 2 hours while you're at work and she should just be sleeping is more than sufficient. It's more than my puppy gets and he's the same age. Giving more room in a crate invites them to potty in it and you really don't want them to learn that is OK. Besides, there's no way to avoid laying in it when a dog pees in a crate, it runs all over the pan no matter where they do it. I don't like puppy pads either, unless you are going to be gone a long time and have no choice. IMO, they make housetraining take much longer because you are teaching the pup that going potty inside is OK. I've also never met a puppy that doesn't love to shred them. But if you think your puppy needs to get a little bigger and older before you can try the crate training again, and you don't mind the housebreaking taking longer, than you could try it. I think you just need a little tough love for a short time. You've ruled out a medical issue, so this is purely a training/behavioral issue.

    Definitely tough love is needed for a short time to get your pup in line with going "outside". Sometimes it's necessary. Plans for tough love here too. It's just part of it, nothing to get angry about, but you need to show them you're Alpha. Not being mean, just showing them the structure of their living in the home. And if it means going out every two hours, so be it. Even at night.

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    Since nothing seems to have worked so far, other options are needed. I think the suggestions that some find so outlandish were suggested because they have worked in some instances. Jagger for example, was pad trained (much to my dismay but I wasn't housebreaking him, his co-owner was). Yet he never tore a pad and would run into his pen to pee on the pad if I missed his "signals". And I would rather the pup pee in the house in an appropriate spot than randomly on the carpet. And he was fully house trained at 5 months, so it didn't ruin him. So all the self proclaimed experts need to realize there are other methods that work when they are needed.

 



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