Reply With QuoteInteresting.
Bandit had seasonal environmental allergies that we were able to control fairly easily. Did take him to a dermatologist and started the workup but did not have to go into full blown testing.
What type of diet are you going to use?
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Oban's results just popped up in an email. I'd really like to know who else has done this and what you think, of our results and of your own. I did it even though we have been pretty sure his allergies are seasonal environmental and not food. Heck, he would eat the same three kibbles in the winter and not itch, itch in the summer. But after this spring's scary Inflammatory Bowel Disease I decided to do this anyway.
The reactions are given as weak, borderline, intermediate, medium and strong. Anything at bordeline or over it says to avoid that food. It gives numbers but I won't bore you with them.
So, most of the foods Oban is Negative or Weak.
Corn - borderline, avoid. A main filler source in one of his kibbles
Turkey - medium, avoid. Not in any of his kibbles but the food that saved his life this summer was turkey, first cooked, then raw. He is on raw food now, BARF. No itching all summer even after being taken off the Atopica.
White Fish - intermediate, avoid. A main protein source in one of his kibbles. The only raw fish he's had so far is salmon.
Barley - borderline, avoid. Barley was in one kibble but pretty far down the list.
Lentil - intemediate, avoid. Not in his kibbles.
Quinoa - intermediate, avoid. Not in his kibbles.
Rabbit - intermediate, avoid. Not in any kibbles but it was one of the raw foods I was withholding in case we ever needed to try a novel protein so that idea is out. I am also withholding duck and lamb which this says should be ok. Venison is ok too, if we ever have to go to game meat the OH will have to start hunting again.
Sweet Potato is ok and I'm only telling you because his IBD recovery diet was nothing but turkey and sweet potato for months.
It's the turkey and whitefish that really are perplexing.
All in all it does seem to confirm that seasonal environmental is indeed the culprit.
Interesting.
Bandit had seasonal environmental allergies that we were able to control fairly easily. Did take him to a dermatologist and started the workup but did not have to go into full blown testing.
What type of diet are you going to use?
I'm feeding him raw, the BARF diet. But turkey has the highest bad rating and it's been an important recovery food and I'm still feeding a lot of turkey and no itching. Well, not serious itching like we've had the past several summers, not counting this past summer. It's very confusing. I will have to discuss this with the Vet. Too bad, we were there two days ago. She gets a copy by email too.
Other meats I feed are pork, beef and chicken, all ok as per the results. Oh, and the salmon, some raw, some canned, and some sardines.
The test did not include any fruits or vegetables and they are an important part of a BARF diet. I'm not feeding any of the other things it says to avoid anyway, except for a small bit of corn he got from my own dinner plate leftovers, twice, so I'm not worried about that.
POPTOP (12-21-2014)
Since Oban 's results came back intermediate , avoid on test for lentils .... may want to avoid other members in legume family of foods ( beans , peas , lentils , peanuts )
List Of Legumes
Some dogs might react to a *cooked* protein; i.e. Turkey; but not necessarily the RAW version of that same protein.
Rivers is the same way; he can't have cooked chicken; but raw is not an issue.
Cooking the protein's changes the molecules and causes some dogs the reaction they would not otherwise have.
Good idea of something for me to ask Vet about. Thanks for the list. Peanuts were on the test though, and came back rated weak. He hasn't had much of any of these and I don't think he's ever had lentils at all.Originally Posted by Kathy W
LOL, this is what "sleeping on it" does for you. Sometime in the night I thought of that too and woke up wondering. Because he's only had raw turkey. It wasn't in any kibbles. The test results do not distinguish between raw and cooked. When you send this test in you tell them a pretty good history and give a list of diet.
Sigh, and I remember when I first started to rotate kibbles and looked for a food that had no chicken or it's relatives in the food. No duck or turkey in kibbles, I even vetoed the ones that had dried egg powder. And now this says chicken and duck are ok, eggs too. But turkey is not. So here they are quite a bit more different from each other than I ever would have guessed.
Just be cautious with not giving too much raw turkey or raw chicken - or at least make the variety very frequent, in which he's not exposed to too much poultry in one week.
That's why it's so perplexing. For two and a third months all he ate for protein was turkey, twice a day, every day. First cooked, then raw. Maybe that's what did it, prompted the start of an intolerance. But I saw absolutely no sign that it was adversely affecting him in any way. He didn't even itch this past summer and I took him off all his meds including his allergy meds in May. He was so sick, maybe he was too weak to scratch.
I replied to Hemopet with my questions and less than 24 hours later an answer came back. Dr. Dodds is amazing. Posting it here for anyone who is curious. Dr. Dodd's answers are in red.
Very interesting, huh?Thank you for these results so quickly. But I'm perplexed at a few. Does the recommendation to avoid a food distinguish between kibble, home cooked and raw food? Any reaction to these ingredients will register, regardless of the type of food (home cooked, raw or commercial) Because the highest "avoid" for Oban is a Medium Reaction for Turkey with a result of 13.001. Oban ate kibble, a rotation of three foods, till July of 2014 and none of his kibbles had turkey in them. Not even way down the list.
Please note that reactivity can be seen to foods or supplements that the animal ate before it became a meat source—a recent study published in Europe showed that nearly all of the premium foods tested contain undeclared sources of animal origin meat, poultry or fish. See attached.
The body’s metabolism and food reactivities can change at any time with ongoing environmental exposures and pollution after being rather steady for years, and, food sensitivity is cumulative.
Then when we visited his new Holistic Vet., Dr. ****, she put him on a diet of nothing but cooked ground turkey and cooked sweet potato. Before visiting Dr. **** I had already withdrawn all his medications, suspecting them of causing his Inflammatory Bowel Disease. Among the meds I stopped was Atopica for his allergies, which as you know we always believed were due to seasonal environmental factors, since he only was itchy in summer and was fine all winter.
So Oban ate nothing but turkey for meat all summer, first cooked, then raw, was not on allergy meds and had no itiching. He is on full raw now with other meats and fruits and vegetables but still eats a large amount of turkey and no itching, not much. He does now have a yeast infection in his ears.
You can see why the high turkey result is confusing to me, he seems to be doing fine on it. Maybe he will react soon? Likely Maybe raw is ok? Raw meats have 4-5 –fold less antigen recognition sites on their molecules than the same foods when coked – but – reactions will eventually appear. So I would stop feeding turkey. It is not a problem to not feed turkey, I'm just wanting to understand this better.
Where she says "See attached" I have not included that paper.
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