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    14 weeks old puppy peeing frequently and not controlling bladder?

    Hi all. This is my first post here in several years. I used to post on this forum when we got our now 5 year old female black lab, Reilly. We have recently added a female chocolate lab, Lilly, who is now 14 weeks old (we got her when she was 8 weeks). Lilly has in general been much more difficult to house train than Reilly was. One of the issues is that Lilly will sometimes pee not long after she already went. For example, this morning she went out to pee, then we brought her back in the house. Shorltly after we came back in the house, and only about 30 minutes after she had peed outside, she ran to the corner and barked, then squatted and peed. This afternoon, my daughter said she did basically the same thing, except that this time shortly after coming in the house she whimpered, then started peeing while still standing up, then squatted and finished peeing. It almost seems like the urge hits her and she can't control it.

    I'm not sure if this is related, but she also pees (without squatting) when she gets excited. For example, when one of us has been gone from the house and comes home, she jumps up on us (or on the baby gate) and is peeing at the same time. When I took her to the vet last weekend for her latest shots, she peed when we first got there, then peed on the floor again when the owners daughter brought her puppy into the waiting room.

    Another thing I should mention is that she had a uti a few weeks ago, which improved when she took the antibiotics. I don't think this is an ongoing issue because she can go hours at a time without peeing at night, but I wanted to mention it in case it could be related.

    Does this sound like something is wrong with Lilly? If so, any ideas what, or do I just need to bring her to the vet?

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    When you come home, you need to ignore her. Sounds like she is nervous peeing at times, so when you come in, do not look directly at her, put your purse down, hang keys up, etc. Get her leash and clip it on and take her right out the door. Be very calm. You want her to realize coming or going is a calm, not anxious time.

    I would have her checked for an uti again and did you read the sticky about recessed vulvas? You may want the vet to check her. Puppies do urinate, a lot. Take her out more frequently so you can change the habit of going potty inside to going potty outside. Lots of praise when she goes outside.

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    I would be concerned that the antibiotic that they treated her UTI with was not appropriate for the organism growing in her urine. Or perhaps the course of antibiotics was not lengthy enough. Did they do a culture?

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    14 wks is a very vulnerable age for UTIs, so I'd have her checked again. All of mine over the years have seemed to go hand in hand w/the beginning of teething (14-15 wks). Anne

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    I'm not sure if they did a culture at the beginning. They were supposed to do a follow up culture after the antibiotic, but we failed to follow through on that. The vet gave us a thing to capture some urine that we were supposed to bring back after she finished the antibiotic, but we forgot to do it, and the vet did not ask about it when we brought her in last weekend for her shots. Maybe we should go ahead and do that to see if she might have some lingering uti? I was thinking she doesn't since she does go some long periods without peeing (i.e. only has to go out once at night), but I suppose that could be it. I almost wonder if she doesn't entirely empty her bladder when she goes, and that is why she sometimes has to go again so soon afterwards, or maybe that she has less ability to hold it than a typical 14 month old puppy. We got our now 5 year old as a puppy, so I know that puppies have to go frequently, but this seems to go beyond what I would normally expect.

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    If there is painful urination because of infection they may not empty the bladder. You need a pure sample for a culture so I would do a cystosentisis (urine drawn directly from bladder) she needs a full bladder for this draw so get the first appoint. of the morning.

    If the vet can check the urine in house (PH, specific gravity) to determine that there is in fact an infection, then send out to lab for a culture so you can get the proper antibiotic for the bacteria she has.

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    Thank you. That makes sense that she may not be emptying her bladder because urination is painful, and also may explain the barking/whimpering on those two occasions when she peed in the house after just going outside. I think there is about a zero percent chance she is able to hold it in the morning to get to the vet, though, so we may have to come up with an alternative way of them getting a full bladder for a culture. Maybe have her drink a bunch of water right before we leave for the vet! I will talk to the vet though about them taking a culture to be sure she is on the correct antibiotic.

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    you don't want any food or water just prior to collection. You can try this. The idea of a pure sample is that the collection container does not touch any part of her body or coat. I did this once and it worked well. You need a sanitary container - you can get it at the vet or a human one at the pharmacy (get one with a wide opening, not the type the size of a test tube).

    Have the pup on a leash and stand next to her facing her back end. When she squats wait for mid stream and put your arm over her back and under her belly. Lift her back end up off the ground (and hope she does not stop peeing) so she is pretty high up. Quickly place the sterile container under the stream and low away from her body. Do this all as fast as possible so she does not have time to think about it and stop peeing.

    You don't need a whole container of urine. First urine of the a.m. prior to food or water is the best sample for testing.

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    A stainless steel long handled soup ladle works very well for me. Can use something as simple as a ziploc baggy to take it to the vet in. I would do the first catch after crating a couple hours at least and you should be fine.

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    Thanks. We'll try to get a good sample and bring that in for testing. Hopefully that will get us started down the right track to figure out what is going on! I appreciate all the good advice!

 



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