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    Quote Originally Posted by TuMicks View Post
    Yeah. That sounds about right. It says, YES... 'at-a dog... I'm watchin, I'm pleased. I would imagine you are giving positive verbal cues as well. I have imagined that the field bred dogs doing field work is in some ways easier than doing obedience with any smart dog, because it would be easy to bore them, for the work to become drudgery. (I'm sure I'm seeing this is a total outsider.) It's not easy to bore a field bred dog when there are ducks flying through the air and guns going off. It's easy (depending upon the dog) to cow them, but not easy to bore them.
    Yes, Obedience has the potential to be very boring for the dog, especially the Novice stuff which is mostly heeling. The more advanced classes have retrieves and jumping so are more fun for most dogs, although they can be challenging especially with a non-retrieving breed. Years ago, most of Obedience training was about compulsion, but now most trainers (even those of us who do use corrections as part of the process ;-) ) really focus on incorporating games and other things that make it much more fun and interesting for the dog. Something I don’t think you have to do for field work!

    Chloe is an odd dog in that she thinks even heeling is fun (although I like to think that is partly because of how I taught it to her, LOL). About the only part of Obedience she finds boring is stays, but they are a necessary skill so she does them regardless.
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    I'm very much against people buying and using "shock collars" without devoting conscientious, significant efforts to understand the different types of learning and the huge differences between using rewards vs. using punishments. (While later I was a clinical psychologist, my PhD training was mostly in learning theory and my dissertation and research also were in learning theory.)

    I've bought and use a Dogtra Pet IQ collar on Zach. It has 3 different types of stimulation and it has an adjustable intensity level that controls all 3 stimulations -- brief shock, "nick" shock, and vibration.

    I put it on Zach whenever we go out for both of our 1 1/4 mile morning and evening walks when I throw a bumper for him to retrieve and get a few kibbles reward. Zach is very easily distracted by smells (especially anything edible) and over the hundreds of times we've gone for walks, I think I've only used the "Nick" on him once or twice and never its longer "brief shock". Every few days (less now than before, maybe once a week?) I do give him a brief vibration when he gets too distracted and isn't responding to his task of retreiving. His DNA is only 1/4 Lab so I'm hoping our morning and evening walks with retrieves eventually will build up his interest and delight in retrieving since it's such good exercise for him.

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    In the opening sections of the Traffic Cop video, Hillmann walks the viewer through how he uses the e-collar. On a "2" Low, it really is a vibration, like a buzz. How do I know? Put it in my hand, prongs into my palm, squeezed it hard, and hit the transmitter. Yep.

    I think the more I'm finding out about this dog, the more I realize that less is more. The hurry-er she wants to go, the slower I get.

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    TuMicks you are to be commended for your work with RD. Noise has to be one of the hardest things to extinguish in a high roller like her. You are also right about the less is more. When I picked M up from Don he told me that I was to go very easy on the collar with her as she didn't need it. He had the noise she was starting to build under control and I have had no issues with it. We were always taught fast dog, slow handler, slow dog, fast handler. One of the judges this weekend told me to try to slow her down even more on the line, especially with the blinds.

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    Huzzah! Huzzah! We have been working every day on Traffic Cop... Bill Hillmann says that if you have an adult dog who's gotten away with bad behavior (insert Rocket Dog's picture here) it will take hundreds and hundreds of repetitions in order to change and "re-condition" them to SIT with powerful distractions. I think we've been doing drills daily sometimes twice/day. I think we meet the "hundreds and hundreds" criteria.

    It has crossed my mind that... sure, here in the park with a white bumper, she sits. But, she's such an outlaw with ducks. How do I know she's ready for ducks thrown by bird-boys? Today we found out if she is progressing.

    The training group had set up a triple 2 on land, one cutting across a corner of the pond. The blind was not between the marks, but off to the side. It was an angle into the water, up and over a point, exit the water and run a way to the bumpers. We did that first. 2 whistled it.

    Traffic Cop Level 3 is a visible bird boy 30-50 yards away, silently throwing a highly visible mark. It went great! She got three marks. The first one, her front feet danced a bit. But the next two she was solid.

    So maybe we will become a team. We'll see. It would be nice if we were ready in September so we could run Sage Hen Retriever Club's event in Suisun City, CA. (OMG... a HT is such a powerful jolt of excitement and adrenaline. It boggles my mind that she could do it.) But if we're not ready... we're not ready. We'll be ready by February when the spring HT's begin.

    I think I may have to buy a winger. She will need more marks than what my training group can do. Hundreds and hundreds, maybe.

    One other observation... I think she's made the connection between the buzz on the 2, and "YES... YOU'RE A GOOD GIRL... KEEP DOING THAT." She gets the buzz and her eyes light up, her tail is wagging.

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    FWIW I watched all of Hillman's e-collar videos and started with condition Brooks with his methods last week. So far so good, especially since I've never collar conditioned a dog.

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    Good to hear. I would like to hear more about your experiences as you go along. This is new for me. I wasn't sure it would even work (verdict is still out, I'll know when I know) but I knew it was a method I could employ better than the alternatives.

    For field work, you need a "distance tool." No way around it. That means a transmitter and a receiver. But it's good that Hillmann is providing alternatives to the "no-no button".

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    She is coming along in spades. It may not seem like progress when you're the one doing drill after drill after drill with her, but it surely showed in that video
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuMicks View Post
    For field work, you need a "distance tool." No way around it. That means a transmitter and a receiver.
    I beg to differ.

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    I can't spit cheese that far!!! No, seriously, I shoulda said that I need a distance tool. Did you go to the field work seminar? I may have not been paying attention (or on vaykay?) but you were going to fill us in on the latest positive methods in HT/FT training.

 



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