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      I'll try anything

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      It's probably not any one thing that will fix the creeping and it will probably always be an issue. Tomorrow when we go training, I'll walk her back to the holding blind if she is front-ending me and if she does it again, I'll put her back on the truck.

      I should point out that she isn't creeping badly by some folks' standards. But the pro believes (as do I) that we can't let her have an inch or she'll take a mile.

      So, a friend of mine sent me this link:
      https://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/retrievers/rj18.html

      I have some white gutter material that I got at Home Depot and cut into 5 foot lengths. Very light weight. I set them up in the front yard and began using the pinch collar with a short tab lead. The point of it is that she has to heel slightly behind me... she cannot lead the parade, so to speak. We heel to the first one, sit and wait. The second and so forth. If she puts a foot in front of the barrier, we go back to the beginning.

      I only began teaching her the game. She really wants that bumper, and was very frustrated when her infraction caused us to return to the first gutter. She started to get it and after a few successes, we went in to dinner.

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      This could be made into a fun and relatively stress-free game, which I might try with my dog.

      Put one gutter down, shape the dog to go behind it, never over it or around it (which I have done already for drop on recall). Stay command, throw something forward (have a helper there to pick it up if the dog goes for it) and if the dog succeeds, throw something behind the dog. If the dog does not succeed, pick up the item, say too bad so sad, ask the dog to go back behind the gutter. Try again.

      One thing that is important for creeping in obedience is to always have the dog go back for the reward, never forward. For example, with the drop on recall, the dog goes down and he is rewarded by a toy or treat or whatever thrown behind him. Always behind. Never in front. Dogs won't typically creep backwards. We also reward behind the dog for go outs (somewhat similar to a whistle sit).

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      I see what you mean. I'll keep you posted on this. It will NOT fix the problem when there is insane excitement on the line with guns and ducks. But it leaves it very clear that her place in THERE... never, ever in front of me.

      Today I took her to the line with no collar or leash (knowing full well what would happen) and it did, and she had a long sad walk back to the truck. This denial was what calmed her down and made her think last year when she was a breaking maniac. So we'll build on that in any number of ways.

      Around the house, especially.

      I thought the gutter idea was brilliant. (Credit to the agility lady we met with in January.) Probably cost me $8 at home depot.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TuMicks View Post
      I see what you mean. I'll keep you posted on this. It will NOT fix the problem when there is insane excitement on the line with guns and ducks. But it leaves it very clear that her place in THERE... never, ever in front of me.

      Today I took her to the line with no collar or leash (knowing full well what would happen) and it did, and she had a long sad walk back to the truck. This denial was what calmed her down and made her think last year when she was a breaking maniac. So we'll build on that in any number of ways.

      Around the house, especially.

      I thought the gutter idea was brilliant. (Credit to the agility lady we met with in January.) Probably cost me $8 at home depot.
      It is definitely a foundation exercise. Once you already have the creeping, not saying it won't help, but that behavior is already there. So either has to be corrected or taught again from the ground up.

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      I think that is what the pro feels. Exiting the truck. Going to air. Returning to heel. Walking the the holding blind. Down in the blind. Exiting the blind. Going to the line. SIT. Wait to be sent. Step by step.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TuMicks View Post
      I think that is what the pro feels. Exiting the truck. Going to air. Returning to heel. Walking the the holding blind. Down in the blind. Exiting the blind. Going to the line. SIT. Wait to be sent. Step by step.
      The kind of foundations that I do breaks it down even further, starting in your kitchen.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Labradorks View Post
      The kind of foundations that I do breaks it down even further, starting in your kitchen.
      Oh, my yes! Every door, out and in (she waits for Bridget and Lee-Roy), she waits for her dinner bowl. Anything I can think of. Into the kennel run, out of the run... wait for the other guys... I believe, if we had not been doing this (and are now making the waits longer, the pay-off better) she would be utterly insane.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TuMicks View Post
      Oh, my yes! Every door, out and in (she waits for Bridget and Lee-Roy), she waits for her dinner bowl. Anything I can think of. Into the kennel run, out of the run... wait for the other guys... I believe, if we had not been doing this (and are now making the waits longer, the pay-off better) she would be utterly insane.
      What about teaching her to back up, not just wait? Hmmm...

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      Back up behind me? Or back up when facing me? The white stick drill is forcing her to be behind me. Back up with a command?

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      We teach backing up (heeling backwards) a long the side of a building . Dog is between the building and handler so she can swing her butt out. I tap the chest with a heeling stick ad I start to walk backwards. Dog backs up with me.

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