Reply With QuoteI don't believe they can be official OFA results until 2 years old. Any results done would be prelims...Maybe I'm wrong tho.Originally Posted by BIG BOB
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His genetics are 100percent across the board. .... really!!!! But the OFA has an issue with his hips. Ranked them as mild not severe or poor or fair......just mild. The breeder was not happy and said I could neuter him ..... most pups don't get X-rays untt they are a year. You guys wouldn't believe his temperment. Mr. Chill . Smart great guy loves his knuckle bones. And relaxing.
I don't believe they can be official OFA results until 2 years old. Any results done would be prelims...Maybe I'm wrong tho.
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OFA would not have a final determination on his hips at this age. If his prelims were mild, there is an option to resubmit. In fact, relatively recent veterinary studies advise resubmitting at 24 months if the prelim is mild, and there is a desire to ascertain whether an animal should continue being considered for a breeding program. Remember, "Fair" hips are passing, and deemed within the range of normal.
I don't really understand your comment that your dog's "genetics are 100 percent across the board."
No you are correct. I would never go on OFAs at 7 mos. At 12 mos I think hips are fairly accurate (the info is there on the site) but there is a reason we cannot get REAL / Final OFAs until age 2.
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It's a stickie we have in the Health section with a library of articles on pros and cons of Neuter and Spay. I was asking if you'd found it and read the articles. It's a link, click on it. Here it is again.
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agree i don't understand what this means either. do you mean his parents passed all their clearances (hips, eblows, eyes, heart, eic, cmn?) Or did you already submit x-rays to OFA on your own pup (and what about the other clearances)?
ETA: ok went back to your posts - you got this dog and the breeder wanted you to keep him intact to be bred. now the breeder is saying his hip OFA results were bad at 6-7 months and wants him neutered? Did he not recommend to wait a bit or just say to do it when you wanted?
You mentioned a swab test for "inheritable diseases" what swab test was that, i've never heard of a swab test testing for many issues.
Last edited by Tanya; 01-13-2016 at 08:19 AM.
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This thread, and prior threads regarding this dog, drive home for me the importance of breed mentoring by the breeder if they are going to farm out a dog for possible use later in their breeding program.
Tanya, here is a couple of places that do 'cheek swab' DNA testing for inheritable diseases.
One is DDC
Cart - Vetdnacenter.com
And another is PawPrint genetics
Paw Print Genetics - Tests for Labrador Retriever
They have panels of recommended tests listed by breed, and run heavy discounts the more dogs/tests you have run. I have used DDC and also Optigen (for prcdPRA and HNPK) for DNA testing. A recent trend has been that BYB's and 'dilute' breeders will run a panel to attempt to lend legitimacy to their breeding programs, while not doing OFA's, annual eye exams, or cardiac echos etc...
Another thing I thought was very interesting, was the statistical reliability OFA posts for prelims done as early as 3-6 months! 89% reliability! I am just shocked by this since their little hip joints are barely formed at 3 months old. It does say to redo prelims that are fair or mild, after age 2.
"Reliability of preliminary evaluations increased as age at the time of preliminary evaluation increased, regardless of whether dogs received a preliminary evaluation of normal hip conformation or HD. For normal hip conformations, the reliability was 89.6% at 3-6 months, 93.8% at 7-12 months, and 95.2% at 13-18 months. These results suggest that preliminary evaluations of hip joint status in dogs are generally reliable. However, dogs that receive a preliminary evaluation of fair or mild hip joint conformation should be reevaluated at an older age (24 months)."
Orthopedic Foundation for Animals: Hip Dysplasia
Anyways, I would never recommend that a male puppy, (or a bitch puppy for that matter) be neutered at 7 months old. The closer to age 2 years the better, but it is a personal decision. I would never question someone that couldn't be responsible with an intact male dog, and would rather they neuter early than risk unplanned litters of unwanted puppies. My families are generally very responsible and know going into getting a puppy from me that they are going to wait, to at least 18 months to 2 years on the boys and after a 1st heat with the girls.
In the OP's situation, I would wait until at least 12 - 18 months to neuter.
Annette47 (01-14-2016), Maxx&Emma (01-13-2016), Snowshoe (01-13-2016), Tanya (01-13-2016), windycanyon (01-13-2016)
I've never had a male dog but it seems like management of an intact dog is MUCH easier with males. I think if Daisy had been a boy dog we would have felt a lot more comfortable waiting till 18 months.
Thanks Shelley
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