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ceridwen · 11-20-2009, 06:08 PM

Oh, one thing I wanted to add.

With the marrow bones, what I did with Kara was to take two bones and remove the marrow from them and keep it (relatively small marrow bones, 2" sections instead of the normal larger ones). Then I gave her a bone and let her gnaw on it for a minute or so before I asked her to drop it and offered her the other bone, but with a little of the marrow stuck back inside it. I repeated that procedure until the marrow was gone, so she learned that me telling her to drop the bone meant that if she did she would get an even better bone. She caught on pretty quickly that giving me the bone was not a bad thing.

NC104 · 11-20-2009, 06:20 PM

Sounds like a plan! Thanks so much!

windycanyon · 11-20-2009, 07:26 PM

Remember first what Pitbulls are used for (and no, I'm not starting anything here, just trying to be realistic). They are supposed to be good w/ people (nanny dogs even), but not w/ other dogs.

2nd: Have you researched dietary requirements of young, growing pups? Since you don't really know the background of this pup, I'd err on the conservative side and forego the raw diet until you've grown this pup up. Raw diets often have VERY HIGH calcium levels. This can quickly lead to growth issues, such as hip and elbow dysplasias that although are mostly genetic, are modified by diet. JMO as a breeder. Anne

NC104 · 11-20-2009, 08:13 PM

Yes. Molly was raised on RAW from 8 weeks on so Ive done this before. My vet always compliments me on how healthy she is. She is all muscle and I have never had to clean her ears or teeth a day in her life. Dale was the opposite, and by the time he was Mollys age (2) he had 4 ear infections. I also have a cat on a raw diet.

Just my personal preference, Ive never been given a reason not to believe my dogs do anything but thrive on a raw diet. Im a rescue person so I didnt have any background on any of my other cats or dogs either.

windycanyon · 11-20-2009, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NC104

Yes. Molly was raised on RAW from 8 weeks on so Ive done this before. My vet always compliments me on how healthy she is. She is all muscle and I have never had to clean her ears or teeth a day in her life. Dale was the opposite, and by the time he was Mollys age (2) he had 4 ear infections. I also have a cat on a raw diet.

Just my personal preference, Ive never been given a reason not to believe my dogs do anything but thrive on a raw diet. I didnt have any background on any of my other cats or dogs either.

And how old is Molly now and have you had OFA evaluations done if she is 2 or older? I'm really not trying to be antagonistic here as I neither work for a dog food company or livestock industry, but am reading that in your response. I have seen many many OFA failures w/ the raw diet when applied to babies and have heard of many more poor structural evaluations in puppies fed raw diet.

I have come to believe it's incredibly hard to balance puppy's diets for proper joint/etc development. Anne

NC104 · 11-20-2009, 08:33 PM

I respect your opinion, but I have NEVER EVER read anywhere in all the research Ive done, that you should wait til a dog is a certain age to implement a raw diet.

No, I have not had OFA done on Molly. Why? Because she is on RAW I have to check her hips? I have to toss money away when there is absolutely no evidence she has anything anywhere wrong with her? She came from a BYB, what are OFA's gonna tell me? Id be shocked if she had anything above average. She isn't going to be bred.

What about breeders that won't sell you a puppy if you aren't a raw feeder? Their puppies are on a raw diet.

80% of people who have puppies of any kind feed them "Puppy Chow" "Iams puppy" "Purina Puppy" or some other kibble equally as crappy.

To be honest I am less apt to take your advice because every time you reply to me, you are argumentative and say the opposite of what every one else does.

I don't know if its on purpose or not but when I see your username, I know I am going to be aggrivated.

windycanyon · 11-21-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC104

I don't know if its on purpose or not but when I see your username, I know I am going to be aggrivated.

Then let's just forget that I expressed any concern.

Anne

bett · 11-22-2009, 05:22 AM

the only think i know about raw and feeding pups raw, is about adding supplements also.

LabBuddy · 11-25-2009, 06:32 PM

Raw diet does not make a dog aggressive. If anything Corn based diets that irritate the stomach are more likely to cause behavior problems.

11-20-2009, 06:08 PM	#16
ceridwen Retriever Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: FL Posts: 261	Oh, one thing I wanted to add. With the marrow bones, what I did with Kara was to take two bones and remove the marrow from them and keep it (relatively small marrow bones, 2" sections instead of the normal larger ones). Then I gave her a bone and let her gnaw on it for a minute or so before I asked her to drop it and offered her the other bone, but with a little of the marrow stuck back inside it. I repeated that procedure until the marrow was gone, so she learned that me telling her to drop the bone meant that if she did she would get an even better bone. She caught on pretty quickly that giving me the bone was not a bad thing. __________________

11-20-2009, 06:20 PM	#17
NC104 Senior Dog Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mooresville NC Posts: 2,350 My Mood:	Sounds like a plan! Thanks so much! __________________ Dale: 11/21/02 Molly: 12/4/07 Wigglebutt: 10/10/09 Add me on Facebook

11-20-2009, 07:26 PM	#18
windycanyon Senior Dog Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: C. WA Posts: 1,633	Remember first what Pitbulls are used for (and no, I'm not starting anything here, just trying to be realistic). They are supposed to be good w/ people (nanny dogs even), but not w/ other dogs. 2nd: Have you researched dietary requirements of young, growing pups? Since you don't really know the background of this pup, I'd err on the conservative side and forego the raw diet until you've grown this pup up. Raw diets often have VERY HIGH calcium levels. This can quickly lead to growth issues, such as hip and elbow dysplasias that although are mostly genetic, are modified by diet. JMO as a breeder. Anne __________________ * Good judgment comes from experience, and a lotta that comes from bad judgment.*

11-20-2009, 08:13 PM	#19
NC104 Senior Dog Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mooresville NC Posts: 2,350 My Mood:	Yes. Molly was raised on RAW from 8 weeks on so Ive done this before. My vet always compliments me on how healthy she is. She is all muscle and I have never had to clean her ears or teeth a day in her life. Dale was the opposite, and by the time he was Mollys age (2) he had 4 ear infections. I also have a cat on a raw diet. Just my personal preference, Ive never been given a reason not to believe my dogs do anything but thrive on a raw diet. Im a rescue person so I didnt have any background on any of my other cats or dogs either. Last edited by NC104; 11-20-2009 at 08:17 PM.

11-20-2009, 08:33 PM	#21
NC104 Senior Dog Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mooresville NC Posts: 2,350 My Mood:	I respect your opinion, but I have NEVER EVER read anywhere in all the research Ive done, that you should wait til a dog is a certain age to implement a raw diet. No, I have not had OFA done on Molly. Why? Because she is on RAW I have to check her hips? I have to toss money away when there is absolutely no evidence she has anything anywhere wrong with her? She came from a BYB, what are OFA's gonna tell me? Id be shocked if she had anything above average. She isn't going to be bred. What about breeders that won't sell you a puppy if you aren't a raw feeder? Their puppies are on a raw diet. 80% of people who have puppies of any kind feed them "Puppy Chow" "Iams puppy" "Purina Puppy" or some other kibble equally as crappy. To be honest I am less apt to take your advice because every time you reply to me, you are argumentative and say the opposite of what every one else does. I don't know if its on purpose or not but when I see your username, I know I am going to be aggrivated. Last edited by NC104; 11-20-2009 at 08:46 PM.

11-22-2009, 05:22 AM	#23
bett Senior Dog Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: baldwin long island new york Posts: 18,431 My Mood:	the only think i know about raw and feeding pups raw, is about adding supplements also. __________________ betty

11-25-2009, 06:32 PM	#24
LabBuddy House Broken Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 36 My Mood:	Raw diet does not make a dog aggressive. If anything Corn based diets that irritate the stomach are more likely to cause behavior problems.

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