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      Quote Originally Posted by Berna View Post
      ProPlan Original Chicken with Rice
      You'd really feed this?
      Here, the naturals line, which I fed before raw, is:
      Chicken, barley, dried egg product, chicken meal (natural source of glucosamine), brewer's dried yeast, brewer's rice, animal fat preserved with mixed tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), brown rice, oat meal, pea protein, dried beet pulp, natural flavor, fish oil, calcium carbonate, salt, L Lysine monohydrochloride, mono and dicalcium phosphate, potassium chloride, dried carrots, dried sweet potatoes, dried tomatoes, Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, DL Methionine, L ascorbyl 2 polyphosphate (source of Vitamin C), manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, copper proteinate, niacin, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, Vitamin B 12 supplement, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin D 3 supplement, calcium iodate, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), folic acid, and sodium selenite



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      Well, here are the ingredients for the ProPlan chicken and rice puppy formula served up here in the US. Corn and maize are probably the same under different names. And many, many, many reputable breeders feed and send puppies home on ProPlan puppy.

      >>Chicken, brewer's rice, poultry by product meal (natural source of glucosamine), corn gluten meal, whole grain wheat, animal fat preserved with mixed tocopherols (form of Vitamin E), whole grain corn, corn germ meal, brewer's dried yeast, fish meal (natural source of glucosamine), animal digest, dried egg product, fish oil, salt, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, calcium phosphate, choline chloride, zinc sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, ferrous sulfate, niacin, manganese sulfate, L Lysine monohydrochloride, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, copper sulfate, riboflavin supplement, garlic oil, Vitamin B 12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, Vitamin D 3 supplement, calcium iodate, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), and sodium selenite<<

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      Well, whatever the ingredients, I would rather raise a puppy on a known food than a food that no one knows how a puppy is going to turn out. I don't really nit pick the ingredients when I have proven results. I guess it's probably best to get advice from someone whose available food is more close to your own. I know many in the UK don't have our same choices as in the USA.
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      Yes, and I am trying to tell you it's not the same food...

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      I have heard lots of good things about acana. just bought a bag of ranchlands for chili. however, lots of things are different for countries outside North America. I love McDonalds in Japan for example, burgers/buns just taste better. I can only say to OP make best decision you can based off of what your pup is telling you. If the breeders food is working, why change? if you want to try something new, go for it. but if new food doesnt work, go back to breeders food. My chili ate a bunch of different foods and still does. whether those foods caused him to develop unhealthy I have no clue, and when I goto vet checkups, dont think the vet knows either. they just say he is healthy and lab tests are perfect.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Berna View Post
      Pro Plan is very different ingredient-wise in the US and in Europe. If it weren't for the words "Pro Plan" on the labels, you'd think it's not the same brand.

      With that said, I wouldn't feed Pro Plan. I'd try Acana, it's a very good food and if it agrees with your dog, it's Jack Pot. Orijen is too rich, IMO.
      That's what I'm trying to say. Thanks Berna. The pro plan I've been feeding my dog is not the one you're talking about. Anyway Orijen is too rich so I guess I will choose Acana.

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      Just thought I'd weigh in because I feed Acana Pacifica - it's been a great food for our guy. Just keep an eye on the puppy's weight and adjust accordingly. I've noticed since Archie turned 15 months he didn't need nearly as much food and was getting a little portly.

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      Changing Purina ProPlan to Orijen/Acana

      I wanted to share our experience because we specifically switched Ellie off Purina ProPlan Large Breed Chicken & Rice Puppy when she was 12 weeks old (this is what she came to us with from the breeder), first to Orijen "large breed puppy" and then to Acana Lamb & Apple. We did this for two reasons. At ten weeks old, a trainer gave Ellie a bully stick and a rawhide, which set off a severe bout of gastroenteritis from which she has never quite fully recovered (she's turning 6 months this week). After two weeks of a bland diet, we decided to fiddle with her food and restart her on a different kibble because 1. she had been itchy since she arrived to us and 2. I was not happy with the ProPlan ingredients. We first tried the Orijen food for a month. Ellie's poop never firmed up beyond the consistency of soft serve. On top of that, she would strain with every bowel movement, as if her brain was still getting the signal that she had to poop, but there was no more material left in her large bowel/colon. We switched her back to a bland home cooked diet, her poops firmed up somewhat, so we switched her to the Acana lamb & Apple (we wanted to try a single protein source to see if it would quiet her itching). Same experience as the Orijen, but now she had developed pyoderma spots on her belly. My suspicion is that Ellie can't easily digest lentils (a prominent ingredient in the Acana kibble) or the high protein percentage (notable in the Orijen), but whatever it is, neither suits her. I wish it did, as Champion Foods philosophy lines up with our consumer ethics (and their ingredient sourcing is stellar), but it's a no go for our little girl.

      The food roller coaster Labradorks mentioned is no joke. I dearly wish we had just left well enough alone and kept Ellie on the ProPlan after her first bout of GI trouble. We have not yet found a food that both calms her itching and gives her firm poops. Meanwhile, her coat and body condition has suffered. I honestly believe we did this to her by fiddling with her food. It may just be that we have an exceptionally sensitive girl, but I would really stick to the ProPlan for as long as you can stomach the ingredient list.

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      Latte's poop is firm. No itching, no other problems. After I read your experiences I feel like I'm looking for trouble. Really confused. This is what I am feeding her

      ProPlan Digestion Lamb with Rice Ingredients: Lamb (21%), maize, maize gluten, dehydrated poultry protein, rice (8%), animal fat, maize flour, digest, beet pulp, dried egg, calcium phosphate, fish oil, potassium chloride, sodium chloride, minerals, L-Lysine, colostrum, DL-Methionine.
      Antioxidant: Tocopherol (rich extracts of natural origin).

      Additives: Bentonite 5000 mg/kg.

      Vitamins: Vitamin A: 15000 IU/kg, Vitamin D3: 750 IU/kg, Vitamin E: 170mg/kg, Vitamin C: 70 mg/kg.
      Would you feed this?

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      my dog has eaten worse

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