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      My black lab Zoey was a piranha puppy, spawn of satan, evil puppy from the depths of hell!! She had me in tears at times, yeh she was that bad. The more emphasis I put on the situation only made things worse. It was as if discipline only fueled her. What ultimately worked was lots of time outs and letting her mature. I always had a toy available to shove in her mouth as well. I tried the trick with curling her lip around her teeth and all that got me was her jumping in my face and putting one of those needle teeth right in my cheek. Be patient, it does end. Zoey is the sweetest dog and very gentle as an adult. Oh, just a suggestion if your puppy is anything like she was, being overtired and over stimulated were her worst times, forced naps are necessary

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      Yes, even with being that horrible at biting, mine became very soft mouthed. She could retrieve Styrofoam cups and even raw eggs, you just had to ask her to “be very careful”.
      And as destructive as she was, destroying trees and sticks outside, she was gentle with her toys. She had a 3’ tall stuffed bear “Bubba”. I got it the first week I had her. I was reluctant to spend the $20 on it as I figured it would last maybe a week or two. When I dig a hole for her at 8 years old, it still had both plastic eyes and the little tag on it. It was worse for the wear, as it was her favorite toy, but she never destroyed it, at all. And Bubba went everywhere with us! Even at 8, she still picked it up at least once a day to drag around.

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      Thanks for all the responses. Today has been really horrible with her biting and I didn’t think it could get worse. I am so tired and starting to question myself whether I can go through this much longer. Im very sad. Have spent most of today on verge of tears.

      She doesn’t respond to any sort of discipline or my raised “angry” voice.
      An example - If we are sitting in the kitchen she will jump in lap and bite at our hands or arms. When you tell her down sometimes she will get down but is usually right back at us biting. At this point we usually grab collar or lead (we keep on all the time) saying “stop/no bite” and getting her back on floor. This almost always results in her going full bore biting whatever she can. If you have her by the collar she goes for the wrist if you have her by leash she goes for your legs. If we are standing or try to walk away she bites at our legs. There is no way we could stand still and ignore because she doesn’t stop. It’s very painful there’s no way I could just stand there waiting for her to get bored. At this point she is put in her crate. We tried putting her between two baby gates but as my kitchen is very small this was proving difficult to maneuver around.

      If we try yelling ouch! that spurs her on. If we try holding her muzzle she isn’t deterred by that and bites worse.

      She gets proper amount of exercise for her age - today she was walked outside 15 minutes and later is given free run of our finished basement with her toys. We train her every day 2-3 times.

      When she is being good and not biting I tell her so. I’ve tried teaching her to give “kisses”.

      We start puppy classes next week and I have also hired on a trainer for private training. I’m currently trying to arrange a visit in the next week to get advice on her biting.

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      I'm sorry you had a rough day. I'm glad you are reaching out to others for support and help.

      As you may have seen in my initial post on the Puppy Biting stickee, Kimber was a biter. It was very, very hard. I would sit on the floor and cry. I would think to myself, "If she happened to wander out into the woods, would that be such a bad thing?" I didn't want her harmed or hurt- I just didn't want to deal with her any more. Did I mention it was hard?

      This led to me feeling a lot of dread when we got Stormy. Puppyhood was awful with Kimber. Stormy's a different puppy overall, but one thing we did that might help you is follow a very, very strict schedule. This gave her structured naptime and playtime, and time for us humans to have human time. Here's how it worked for the first few weeks:

      6 am-7 am: puppy gets fed, playtime
      7-10 am: puppy naps in crate
      10-10:30: puppy gets potty break and short playtime
      10:30-12noon: puppy naps in crate
      12-1 pm: puppy has lunch, playtime
      1-3: nap in crate
      3:00-3:30- break and play
      3:30-5 pm: nap in the crate
      5-7 pm: play time, walk time, dinner
      7-8 pm: evening nap
      8-10 pm: play time, chill with us
      10 pm: bedtime

      Note that the play time was active. Free run of a room is not very stimulating for a puppy and doesn't count as exercise. You'll want to actively play with her in addition to short walks.

      Hang in there. It gets better.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Rosie’sMom View Post
      Thanks for all the responses. Today has been really horrible with her biting and I didn’t think it could get worse. I am so tired and starting to question myself whether I can go through this much longer. Im very sad. Have spent most of today on verge of tears.

      She doesn’t respond to any sort of discipline or my raised “angry” voice.
      An example - If we are sitting in the kitchen she will jump in lap and bite at our hands or arms. When you tell her down sometimes she will get down but is usually right back at us biting. At this point we usually grab collar or lead (we keep on all the time) saying “stop/no bite” and getting her back on floor. This almost always results in her going full bore biting whatever she can. If you have her by the collar she goes for the wrist if you have her by leash she goes for your legs. If we are standing or try to walk away she bites at our legs. There is no way we could stand still and ignore because she doesn’t stop. It’s very painful there’s no way I could just stand there waiting for her to get bored. At this point she is put in her crate. We tried putting her between two baby gates but as my kitchen is very small this was proving difficult to maneuver around.

      If we try yelling ouch! that spurs her on. If we try holding her muzzle she isn’t deterred by that and bites worse.

      She gets proper amount of exercise for her age - today she was walked outside 15 minutes and later is given free run of our finished basement with her toys. We train her every day 2-3 times.

      When she is being good and not biting I tell her so. I’ve tried teaching her to give “kisses”.

      We start puppy classes next week and I have also hired on a trainer for private training. I’m currently trying to arrange a visit in the next week to get advice on her biting.
      I find with puppies like this, the correction route doesn't tend to work. They are easily ramped up. Frankly, I'd throw food. It does not encourage the biting, but also gives the dog something else to do and saves you both from frustration. You just have some open containers of kibble around and literally reach in, and do a cookie scatter on the floor. Let her snuffle around for the food. You can put it on cue, too. Forced naps are also good. I think that walking and basement playing are not enough. What kind of off leash walking do you do, like trails, fields, beaches? She may need to RUN.

      Labs are working dogs and depending on where you got her, what her parents are like, etc. she may need more exercise, training, off leash work, etc. to be happy and obedient.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Labradorks View Post
      I find with puppies like this, the correction route doesn't tend to work. They are easily ramped up. Frankly, I'd throw food. It does not encourage the biting, but also gives the dog something else to do and saves you both from frustration. You just have some open containers of kibble around and literally reach in, and do a cookie scatter on the floor. Let her snuffle around for the food. You can put it on cue, too. Forced naps are also good. I think that walking and basement playing are not enough. What kind of off leash walking do you do, like trails, fields, beaches? She may need to RUN.

      Labs are working dogs and depending on where you got her, what her parents are like, etc. she may need more exercise, training, off leash work, etc. to be happy and obedient.

      I will definitely try the food throwing.

      She does gets forced naps.

      Since she is only 13 weeks old, she cannot be off leash. Our weather has been horrendously cold for last two weeks and we were unable to get out for walks or play.

      she gets a lot of exercise in our basement as we play with her. She does not have run of the house yet and is in the kitchen with us. We take her into our basement for playtime as it is a larger space and allows lots of room for her to run and play.

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      I made a play cube for Diggity that he loved as a young puppy. It kept him occupied and I could change up the toys on it to keep him interested. This sort of thing might help teach her to play on her own and help her burn some energy. They’re pretty easy to make. You can google lots of different ideas for them. Here’s a picture of mine.



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      Quote Originally Posted by kimbersmom View Post
      I'm sorry you had a rough day. I'm glad you are reaching out to others for support and help.

      As you may have seen in my initial post on the Puppy Biting stickee, Kimber was a biter. It was very, very hard. I would sit on the floor and cry. I would think to myself, "If she happened to wander out into the woods, would that be such a bad thing?" I didn't want her harmed or hurt- I just didn't want to deal with her any more. Did I mention it was hard?

      This led to me feeling a lot of dread when we got Stormy. Puppyhood was awful with Kimber. Stormy's a different puppy overall, but one thing we did that might help you is follow a very, very strict schedule. This gave her structured naptime and playtime, and time for us humans to have human time. Here's how it worked for the first few weeks:

      6 am-7 am: puppy gets fed, playtime
      7-10 am: puppy naps in crate
      10-10:30: puppy gets potty break and short playtime
      10:30-12noon: puppy naps in crate
      12-1 pm: puppy has lunch, playtime
      1-3: nap in crate
      3:00-3:30- break and play
      3:30-5 pm: nap in the crate
      5-7 pm: play time, walk time, dinner
      7-8 pm: evening nap
      8-10 pm: play time, chill with us
      10 pm: bedtime

      Note that the play time was active. Free run of a room is not very stimulating for a puppy and doesn't count as exercise. You'll want to actively play with her in addition to short walks.

      Hang in there. It gets better.
      Thank you for your kind comments ��

      How long did you apply this schedule? It seems like a lot of sleep. Maybe Rosie does not nap long enough? How much sleep should a 13 week old pup should be getting during the day?

      I should explain that when I refer to free run of the basement, I mean Rosie has no restrictions in our large basement and we play with her there because we can play fetch and chase her toys. She definitely is getting exercise. We don’t leave her to play on her own. She is currently restricted to the kitchen only when we are upstairs.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rosie’sMom View Post
      I will definitely try the food throwing.

      She does gets forced naps.

      Since she is only 13 weeks old, she cannot be off leash. Our weather has been horrendously cold for last two weeks and we were unable to get out for walks or play.

      she gets a lot of exercise in our basement as we play with her. She does not have run of the house yet and is in the kitchen with us. We take her into our basement for playtime as it is a larger space and allows lots of room for her to run and play.
      Providing you have safe areas the younger off leash, the better. It's one of the best ways to teach recall. I do know not everyone has a good sized back yard and 1,000's of acres of bush to let their pup off leash, like I do. But by 11 weeks I was confident enough of recall to take Oban down snowmobile trails. I admit the snow banks on trails were so high he couldn't get off the trail. Is it possible you could drive to a safe place? One place we went to was a new subdivision where the roads were paved but no houses yet and the developers ploughed out the roads. We went a couple of times with a neighbour's older female dog, who was great at teaching my little boy some doggy respect. BElow is how I taught COME, or recall. See what you think, and let me emphasized again, it must be a safe place. Rosie is actually nearly too old for this to work, as per other writings I have read on it. Where 16 weeks is the limit, more or less. BEcause they get more confident of being away from you as they mature.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ZoeysMommy View Post
      My black lab Zoey was a piranha puppy, spawn of satan, evil puppy from the depths of hell!! She had me in tears at times, yeh she was that bad. The more emphasis I put on the situation only made things worse. It was as if discipline only fueled her. What ultimately worked was lots of time outs and letting her mature. I always had a toy available to shove in her mouth as well. I tried the trick with curling her lip around her teeth and all that got me was her jumping in my face and putting one of those needle teeth right in my cheek. Be patient, it does end. Zoey is the sweetest dog and very gentle as an adult. Oh, just a suggestion if your puppy is anything like she was, being overtired and over stimulated were her worst times, forced naps are necessary
      Rosie sounds much like your Zoey! I can only hope and pray she will eventually grow out of this horrible biting phase and turn sweet and gentle as Zoey did.

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