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    Quote Originally Posted by Labradorks View Post
    Please what? What would be the point in the dog pulling if it gets them nowhere? It takes patience and consistency for sure, but it's completely do-able.
    Of course it is, it's called training, but do they pull in the intermittent, you bet, they're puppies for crying out loud.
    I believe MOM4four said "We are just in the beginning stages of a leash", and asked for tips.

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    A puppy is such a sponge I had the best luck teaching Maxx to walk properly on a leash from the very beginning. It was how I was taught in puppy k class. If you don't give them an option from the beginning they do figure it out, eventually. Granted I know I looked like a fool walking maybe 5-10 feet before I had to stop, turn around and go in the opposite direction, day after day. I live in a very small town and actually had one of the local police officers sitting in his car, laughing at me. (Not too much excitement in this neck of the woods, obviously!) We practiced and practiced until I wanted to cry from frustration. I am glad I sucked it up and stuck with it. Maxx is incredible on the leash for me. He knows when that leash is snapped on his collar mom means business unless I give him the command to relax and he can sniff to his heart is content, greet someone or whatever. After my last Lab caused me a broken ankle and wrist because of his lack of leash manners I swore I would never let a dog walk ME again. I spent the first year I had Maxx walking him in every possible situation, in as many different places as I could go. I can take him anywhere, he is a rock solid dog. It is the best thing we learned together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jertom View Post
    Of course it is, it's called training, but do they pull in the intermittent, you bet, they're puppies for crying out loud.
    I believe MOM4four said "We are just in the beginning stages of a leash", and asked for tips.
    Yes, and I did giver her a tip. I was the first person to respond, actually.

    You're not understanding what I have said, but Maxx&Emma summed it up pretty well.

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    I'm always tickled at the idea that various contraptions should be introduced to assist the owner in their tug of war with the dog because it was cute when it pulled them everywhere as a puppy and now, of course, it has grown up and isn't so cute!

    I think of it in terms of horses, if you wish to lead a 17hh heavyweight horse around in public, do you put a specially designed harness in it so it can't pull so hard and go to weight training classes in preparation????????????????? Or do you train it from when it is a foal, to walk calmly and sensibly at your side and never to consider using it's strength against you??? And if it's possible with a horse, a prey animal genetically configured to run when scared - why is it people find it so hard with dogs????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudlark View Post
    I'm always tickled at the idea that various contraptions should be introduced to assist the owner in their tug of war with the dog because it was cute when it pulled them everywhere as a puppy and now, of course, it has grown up and isn't so cute!

    I think of it in terms of horses, if you wish to lead a 17hh heavyweight horse around in public, do you put a specially designed harness in it so it can't pull so hard and go to weight training classes in preparation????????????????? Or do you train it from when it is a foal, to walk calmly and sensibly at your side and never to consider using it's strength against you??? And if it's possible with a horse, a prey animal genetically configured to run when scared - why is it people find it so hard with dogs????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxx&Emma View Post
    The stone cold, honest truth!
    Throw away your leashes, collars, harness!
    Just explain to your 11 week old puppy he has to stay 10-1/2" away from your left foot, Now you can take puppy to the shopping center, pet supply store, veterinarian, anywhere. No longer concerns with greeting other people, other dogs, small children, puppy will be right there next to your foot. Utopia!
    Why wasn't this thought of earlier? Why do all trainers require puppy on a leash? Why are all dogs at the vet regardless of age on a leash?
    No need if owners would have just explained to puppy at the beginning.
    I'm for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudlark View Post
    I'm always tickled at the idea that various contraptions should be introduced to assist the owner in their tug of war with the dog because it was cute when it pulled them everywhere as a puppy and now, of course, it has grown up and isn't so cute!

    I think of it in terms of horses, if you wish to lead a 17hh heavyweight horse around in public, do you put a specially designed harness in it so it can't pull so hard and go to weight training classes in preparation????????????????? Or do you train it from when it is a foal, to walk calmly and sensibly at your side and never to consider using it's strength against you??? And if it's possible with a horse, a prey animal genetically configured to run when scared - why is it people find it so hard with dogs????
    Great analogy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jertom View Post
    Throw away your leashes, collars, harness!
    Just explain to your 11 week old puppy he has to stay 10-1/2" away from your left foot, Now you can take puppy to the shopping center, pet supply store, veterinarian, anywhere. No longer concerns with greeting other people, other dogs, small children, puppy will be right there next to your foot. Utopia!
    Why wasn't this thought of earlier? Why do all trainers require puppy on a leash? Why are all dogs at the vet regardless of age on a leash?
    No need if owners would have just explained to puppy at the beginning.
    I'm for it.
    The Puppy Whisperer!
    Now you're just being nasty. No one is saying to throw away leashes and collars. Just that there IS a way to train a puppy to walk on leash without constantly pulling. I'm sorry if you don't understand it, or have not been able to accomplish it, or would rather go about it a different way, but that does not mean that it's not a fact. And it certainly does not mean that a person should not try it. In Puppy STAR class the puppies are not on leash and the reason why is because leashing promotes leash pulling by the puppy and the owner. The owners are being taught in this class not to rely on the leash for control, but to rely on training. Of course you have a leash on your dog when in a public and/or unsecured area. Always. No matter how well they are trained. Dogs can be unpredictable and what's more, a dog knows when they are on or off leash. No one is saying that the end result in leash training your dog is able to walk them off-leash in public places.

    What you're not getting, even though it's been explained, is that it takes time to teach. Tons of consistency as well. The loose leashed walk on a flat-buckle collar is probably one of the hardest things to teach. As Maxx&Emma pointed out in detail, there are no walks for puppies. Just training. So, taking an 11 week old puppy in a shopping center, pet supply store, vet, etc. would not be done while leash walking. In fact, a puppy that young should be carried in all of these places anyway. While there, you work on focus. You work on calmly being greeted and pet. Sitting for petting. Having people walk up to your puppy instead of the puppy going to them. Teach them that pulling and straining toward a person results in nothing. There are tons of exercises to get through before just walking your dog into a Home Depot and expecting him to behave.

    I'm not writing this for your benefit because clearly, you are not open to learning or at least understanding other methods or that they exist, but hopefully it will benefit others who may be reading it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labradorks View Post
    Now you're just being nasty. No one is saying to throw away leashes and collars. Just that there IS a way to train a puppy to walk on leash without constantly pulling. I'm sorry if you don't understand it, or have not been able to accomplish it, or would rather go about it a different way, but that does not mean that it's not a fact. And it certainly does not mean that a person should not try it. In Puppy STAR class the puppies are not on leash and the reason why is because leashing promotes leash pulling by the puppy and the owner. The owners are being taught in this class not to rely on the leash for control, but to rely on training. Of course you have a leash on your dog when in a public and/or unsecured area. Always. No matter how well they are trained. Dogs can be unpredictable and what's more, a dog knows when they are on or off leash. No one is saying that the end result in leash training your dog is able to walk them off-leash in public places.

    What you're not getting, even though it's been explained, is that it takes time to teach. Tons of consistency as well. The loose leashed walk on a flat-buckle collar is probably one of the hardest things to teach. As Maxx&Emma pointed out in detail, there are no walks for puppies. Just training. So, taking an 11 week old puppy in a shopping center, pet supply store, vet, etc. would not be done while leash walking. In fact, a puppy that young should be carried in all of these places anyway. While there, you work on focus. You work on calmly being greeted and pet. Sitting for petting. Having people walk up to your puppy instead of the puppy going to them. Teach them that pulling and straining toward a person results in nothing. There are tons of exercises to get through before just walking your dog into a Home Depot and expecting him to behave.

    I'm not writing this for your benefit because clearly, you are not open to learning or at least understanding other methods or that they exist, but hopefully it will benefit others who may be reading it.
    Really?
    My point in my first post was to maybe help someone, and that was when your puppy gets unpredictable (as you point out) I've had better success with a harness
    versus a collar, plain and simple, that was it!
    I got attacked with "teach your puppy not to pull".
    No kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jertom View Post
    Really?
    My point in my first post was to maybe help someone, and that was when your puppy gets unpredictable (as you point out) I've had better success with a harness
    versus a collar, plain and simple, that was it!
    I got attacked with "teach your puppy not to pull".
    No kidding.
    First, there was zero attacking here. Just a discussion.

    Second, if your dog walks well on a loose leash and you have the occasional puppy pull or lunge over a cat or whatever and you can't physically handle it (safely or without getting hurt, especially), then that is another story, and by all means, use whatever works to keep everyone safe, even if your dog is trained to walk on a loose leash. I've used a halti for the same issues from time to time when my 110 lb dog was younger and going through a phase and I'd hurt my knee.

    Finally, the bottom line is, many people have puppies and dogs that pull the whole time or who have these pulling/lunging episodes very often. Why? Because they were not taught where to be and they were inadvertently taught that pulling gets them what they want -- to visit that dog, to chase that cat, to see that lady, to lick those kids, to sniff that grass over there, etc. That is what we are talking about here: Training your puppy from the get go that pulling is not an option and that it will not result in something good. If trained as puppies that pulling does not get them what they want or where they want, they are far less likely to do it when they are older and bigger. And, if they do, it's way easier to get them back when taught what they are supposed to be doing. The OP has a little puppy, so the advice was to train it not to pull in the first place.

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