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    Milo was a furry, cute little terror when I first got him. There were several times when I asked myself what have I done, but I didn't get mad, I just stayed the course and now, at 9 months, he's the most well behaved puppy I've ever seen. He's earned the run of the house, hasn't had an accident in the house for several months and we've only lost 1 slipper and 1 chair leg. I regularly get complimented on how well behaved, obedient, and mellow he is. I've had several people at the dog park ask me how I trained him so well and can I help them work on their dog. He's pretty bomb proof now and I can take him anywhere. It took a lot of work but it is definitely paying off now.

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    WOW, I hadn't left (it's barely been a wk) but I will today after reading even more Rude and nasty posts from people about my needing a Therapist??? WTF? This is FAR from a supportive or helpful Chatroom for dog owners afterall! And I am not backing down the fact that tons of families don't "yell" at their pets because they DO- just like you hear them yell at their kids sometimes (i heard my neighbor yell at his Golden this wk!) Geesh- should we get him psychiatric help too? It's not abusive or isolated behavior- it's how lots of people express themselves when something extreme & unexpected happens and its the pet or kid's fault or the person may be impatient (yes, sometimes children are to blame for things, eg being Late or mean to their siblings, etc & a long conversation w/them isn't always convenient) but i think this website is way too "LEFT" for me. Like, I wonder if most of you believe everyone should get a trophy just for participating in something, right? (Well, not me) I believe in earning things- which is what i'm teaching Sasha. And, i do believe in an Alpha human in the home. So does my Petsmart trainer- she doesn't even believe in the trading notion you speak of- but i'm using it and it's working so far- but i still believe and WILL get her to GIVE me her bone if "I" want it- if there's an emergency and you have nothing of higher value- then what??? She is my dog- we aren't in negotiations here.

    If your pet knocks over a lamp or is taking something dangerous from the trash- most people will yell to get away or "leave it". And probably aren't always going to say it Calmly like you might in a puppy class. If that's the criteria for needing a therapist then I don't know how to respond to that kind of rationale? And my pup does have a strong personality she has notable "attitude".

    I would like to Thank the "several" folks who were helpful and gave constructive advice how to handle this very energetic and Difficult (yes, difficult) Puppy. She's Challenging on every level of ownership- (and since everyone here seems to want to be an expert- you should all know what those areas are) and you're right- ya can't predict what you are going to get but i'm not sure it's poor breeding? I do agree a lot of it IS that it's being a Lab puppy & "possibly" her gender?
    I asked why it was taking so long to housebreak her and got a few replies- thank you! I'm not changing how i manage her face biting as nobody had any "fixes" on that one- it's fine- this is working and it's become much less a problem and she hardly bats an eyelash in the reprimand but she is learning it's wrong because the whole dynamic changes after that as well- it's abrupt and changes her mindset. I do think with the HELPFUL info given (eg breaking up her exercise & playtimes has worked wonders) and ongoing obedience classes, etc she will improve because she is smart and food driven. Going back to the basics with her housebreaking has helped as well coupled with limiting her space though she hates it because she does not like being in a different room from me... i try my best to work it out and fortunately it's a small house. I could list things she's eaten too after scarfing things down quickly- but i'm just grateful she's ok. Just because you all LOVE the Labs doesn't mean you shouldn't also like the Humans who own them. I love GSD's too but when i gave advice about them i tried to empathize more with the owner than the dog...They can become dangerous if you aren't VERY careful with how you raise them. (i would NEVER slap a shep more than 1 or 2x- they are far too sensitive & whoever's using the elect fence should rethink that too) I am an animal lover and every day it's all about Her. So, for the sake of the your next "victim" try to keep your judgments to yourselves. I can't imagine what would've happened to Bacon's mom had you spoken to her the way you have treated me. I expected more from the breed earlier on than apparently they are able to give and that is due to inexperience with Labs on my part. Again, and i WILL bring up my other dogs- i've not had any other puppy have all these problems/issues except maybe the Berner and the terrier mix with the housebreaking, health probs (the former) and the stubborn streak & chewing (the latter). We'll be fine, she's got a sweet disposition and i think my Vet was "wrong" as she is still losing teeth... I apologize if now I DO sound like i need a therapist but THIS encounter with this group has been extremely upsetting. I am DONE here. Appreciate those i said "Thank you's" to... Be Well.

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    Whoa. Nearly incomprehensible, but I agree—this does not seem to be the place for you. Good luck to you and your dog.
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    I am going to say this. The group of people on this forum are some of the most caring, considerate, knowledgeable and supportive people I have ever had the please to meet. I joined this forum shortly after bringing little Bacon home. I was frustrated and worried that I had an evil little puppy. I learned here that that is how lab puppies, and I didn't take all of the comments personally. The one thing I will say is that people here are honest, and that honesty seems to be what has put you off. We all have put in our opinions, and how you choose to take them is your business. I love this forum, and we are like a family. We love our dogs fiercely and band together when there is a rough patch. Ask anyone on the forum who has had a sick dog or a dog that has passed away. This forum is a source for knowledge, support, and friendship. The other people on this forum love my dog just like I do, we have a unique community.
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    Well, I'm guilty of suggesting that Deacondog needed a therapist, but I stand by that. I'm not the world's most patient person but I don't hit / slap my puppies in anger-- Ever... In fact that was the reason I kicked my ex out 18 years ago! And if I heard of one of my pup owners doing that, I'd be on their doorstep to take the pup back.

    Deacondog if you are still lurking, several of us DO have experience to compliment our advice. I'm raising my 14th lab right now (7 in the house currently from ages 17 mos to 11.5 yrs), and all have been trained to competition titles to some degree or another. I've raised 23 litters and at an average of let's say 7 pups per litter to be conservative, that's over 160 puppies. Not counting the ones I've kept for myself, that's a lot of different puppy owners I've dealt with in the past 20+ yrs. I've never had one express anger and emotion like you have here. Sure people get maybe a little nervous or frustrated at times but not downright nasty and angry.
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    I admit that I had been trying to write a longer and more thoughtful response to Deacondog's post, but when I got to the "i would NEVER slap a shep more than 1 or 2x-" I just couldn't. I ran up against a wall. I kept imagining someone slapping a puppy—or young dog, or old dog, or child, or person, or whatever—and I couldn't write any further. I kept trying to come back to it, but realized that there was no chance my response could be civil.

    I am not a breeder, and have too much respect for the excellent ones to suggest that even a responsible, mature, informed, etc. owner is anything close to that, no matter how much I read and research. I'm not a breeder, but I grew up around puppies and dogs, and have spent a lot of time around such in my years, and I have never seen a friend scream at or hit an animal, no matter how angry. Ok, my dad once really yelled at a cat, chased it around, after the cat peed in his guitar case, again. I thihnk he scared the crap out of that cat. But a week later, they were best friends. Inseparable. They had reached their peace.

    Uncontrolled anger that ruptures into violence against beings that are dependent upon us for their safety and survival is not healthy. It is not normal. And if it is a person's "norm," I'd politely suggest that maybe they are in sore need of a new norm (or better quality friends).
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    I'm new to this thread, and quite frankly I don't have the time or the interest to go back to post #1. I will say this. At no time or circumstance is it ok to hit or slap a dog or a puppy. Lab puppies are horrible, and it can take a great deal of patience to raise one. They will test you at every turn. I'm on my 3rd puppy in a little over 4 years, and it's no easy task. However, it is so rewarding when you see the progress they make when you put in the time and effort needed.

    I'm not sure what or why the OP is so bent out of shape, but my experience on this forum has been 99% positive. I can't put a price on what I've learned here over the last 4 plus years.

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