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I think regardless of differences you brought up an excellent discussion and one that is causing waves around the world in academic research into canine studies and then naturally to dog training...

I wouldn't do shaping of two commands until I had a solid command of each. So in this example a solid "leave it" command before shaping and behavior linking with a solid "down stay" command.

The tone and perceived insults is my DEFENCE when attacked with tone and insult of equal venom when I was wrongly accused of derogatory name calling.

WOW! Please read the thread from the beginning and join in the conversation. If you do and understand basic English then you will see the poster called himself the derogative word and then as many...

If I was to judge you I would have said I find it disgusting to use fear and intimidation to get a dog to be a well-trained, obedient dog and that anyone that does is an a***hole....but I didn't. You...

Oh I didn't see this as I was reading some of the other responses.

gee, thank you ! :)

Excellent response. Agree totally.

By the way, as I read some of the other responses I think many would qualify their responses that the beauty of all this training and although INITIALLY rewards...

Positive reinforcement as part of operant conditioning is NOT this at all and what you describe is a very cursory understanding of animal behaviorism, a bit like when we treated animals as beasts...