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    Most gun violence in this country is committed by people who are in fact sane. Mass shootings with crazy killers get more media attention, but most homicides, suicides and accidents related to guns are committed by people who have the capacity to understand the ramifications of their actions, even if momentary emotional instability prompts them to behave irrationally. The mental health argument is a red herring to shift people's focus away from gun regulation.

    To be fair, the other obstacle to background checks are those advocates of patient confidentiality and the rights of the mentally ill. The current background check database has very few records related to mental illness, as many states will not release those records. Unless a previous crime has been committed, there's no mechanism to stop these people from purchasing guns at a gun store.

    But gun owners shouldn't be too worried. There are far more "your dead kids don't trump my constitutional rights!!!" people like Joe the Plumber than people who want to do anything serious about gun violence. Or, at least, cast a vote on the basis of that issue alone. And there's the gun industry, which has far more financial resources to direct at candidates for public office than gun control proponents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bamps View Post

    on the vet deal; I am embarrassed as an American that our boys are treated badly after serving for us all as they did. These veteran hospitals are a disgusting sorry excuse of gratitude for their very existence. The military and VA need to recognize and correct these problems.
    I have volunteered at a VA hospital since the first Gulf War. It's the only place an old broad can get hugs from beautiful young men and women!

    The conditions are depressing, bleak and sad. I wouldn't want to be recuperating there. There is no excuse, none. Maybe we should make everyone become patients, lower our health care to the standard of our vets and maybe, just maybe it will get better.

    All of the huffing and puffing we're hearing now - including the calls for dismissals - is just hot air. With American attention spans of gnats the media will focus on something else. Until we are willing to spend BILLIONS it won't change. We'll have to cut from somewhere else and since our Congress is bought and paid for by big Corporations it won't happen in my life time.

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    I remember hearing O'reilly making a comment on his show about how over the last 20 years violent crime has decreased 40%. I wonder if news/social media focus on all the bad stuff going on messes up peoples heads more than a reality that our Country is actually safer now than it was 20 years ago.
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    Sorry, believe in my rights as a gun owner. Did vote here not to have needle exchange which is basically saying shooting drugs is Okey dokey. Big time herion problem here, but hey it's illegal, BUT we have to stop the AIDS epidemic.

    Regarding background checks, gee, had a HUGE background check when I went to register to my gun permit. Big data base too. But hey, law passed to track pediphiles (Megan Law) but hey, they have rights too.

    Regarding calling in, have a neighbor who actually uses DYFS (child protection agency) so that he can get a good deal on a car repair. Also since I homeschooled my son, another call was made and Hey, neighbor wife got a job.

    The Media is bought and sold by the Leaders of Washington DC. Guns are bad, there is no mental illness, and nobody is wrong unless that person who says you are wrong is connected or has the right name. Or there is an election to be won.

    That's PC society. And you can have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZRabbits View Post
    Sorry, believe in my rights as a gun owner. Did vote here not to have needle exchange which is basically saying shooting drugs is Okey dokey. Big time herion problem here, but hey it's illegal, BUT we have to stop the AIDS epidemic.

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    Sure, it would be nice if we lived in a society where nobody used IV drugs. But such a society has never, nor will it ever, exist. We have to face realities when dealing with public health crises.

    Needle exchange programs greatly reduce the transmission of HIV and other blood-borne diseases, and ultimately save taxpayers money. It's much more expensive to treat these diseases than it is to prevent their occurrence. Is it your contention that we allow HIV/AIDs to ravage populations of IV drug users and their children (who are born infected) simply because you don't like their lifestyle, even if it means more costs to taxpayers in the long run?

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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo View Post
    1 stat I wanted to share was that 22 veterans a day commit suicide.
    Not only that, but the liberal media includes those suicides with a gun as a gun violence statistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Winston View Post
    Sure, it would be nice if we lived in a society where nobody used IV drugs. But such a society has never, nor will it ever, exist. We have to face realities when dealing with public health crises.

    Needle exchange programs greatly reduce the transmission of HIV and other blood-borne diseases, and ultimately save taxpayers money. It's much more expensive to treat these diseases than it is to prevent their occurrence. Is it your contention that we allow HIV/AIDs to ravage populations of IV drug users and their children (who are born infected) simply because you don't like their lifestyle, even if it means more costs to taxpayers in the long run?
    Could care less what lifestyle you lead, keep it to yourself.

    And what do you tell the parents of the kids, using these exchanged needles in high school and having their children overdose. In one month we had 8 die in high school because of overdose. Oh, BTW, high school is covering this fact up too. They are upset when a whistle blower brought up the fact that teachers were sleeping with their students.

    I'll take that money and give to those lifestyles, like Military, Seniors, boy they could sure use the help. AND they don't help bring others into a lifestyle of drugs, which leads to stealing, murder, ID theft, and pure misery for those who love them.

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    I think I am just ready for when the news/media/politicians/government spend more time highlighting all the good/great things (progress) instead of all the bad things. Im not talking about ignoring the bad, but geez, all I seem to see/read is bad. even the weather report just shows bad lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo View Post
    I think I am just ready for when the news/media/politicians/government spend more time highlighting all the good/great things (progress) instead of all the bad things. Im not talking about ignoring the bad, but geez, all I seem to see/read is bad. even the weather report just shows bad lol.
    My DH every morning gets his 'briefing' on the news. He won't listen/watch/read what we call news at all. He knows I will so when he gets up in the morning he asks 'what's happening in the world.' I rarely get my 'news' for American sources - way to skewed. There is stuff happening in the world the 'average' news reading American have no idea about because it isn't fed to them.

    Bad news sells. We get some warped satisfaction when the news tells us how horrible something is so a politician can promise to fix it - which they don't but it goes back to gnats and attention spans.

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    I agree that we can't lock people up simply because someone says they are dangerous. But in this case, my understanding is that there were deranged videos and facebook postings that the parents discovered and brought to the attention of the authorities. Surely there is something the police could have done in that case.

 



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