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      blame guns/laws/people

      The USA has had way too many tragedies lately with young adults/guns/schools/murders. I think I am desensitized a bit, as I have a 20+ year career in the military. But I get annoyed when fingers get pointed to an area that doesnt make sense to me. for example, the latest college murders in California have people blaming everything except the murderer! I have heard its due to laws, movies, girls, police, obviously guns, etc...in this case I think he murdered kids with his car, a knife, and a gun. I am seeing all sorts of shared facebook stuff how we need to change the gun laws.

      1 stat I wanted to share was that 22 veterans a day commit suicide.

      I dont see a big facebook or tv news event on this...its like its accepted to a reason why veterans kill themselves and not the guns or the laws fault...and of course they didnt kill anyone else.

      sort of a rant I guess as I ramble on...doesnt make any sense to me...can people out there really make sense of this and blame the laws or the gun industry? in case of suicides, I can imagine an overwhelming guilt taking over some veterans/or a depression so bad...but the bottom line to me is that the kid needed help/his parents knew he needed help/the laws that need fixing are our mental health laws...not the gun laws...

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      That Rodger kid was warped. He had a sense of entitlement that would have turned anyone away from wanting to be his friend. I've read much of his manifesto and he comes across as nothing more than a whiny, self absorbed brat. What he did was horrible.

      That said, the VA does not do nearly enough for our soldiers and their mental health issues after returning from duty. Spend billions on a war? Sure. Help the soldier overcome PTSD? Naw, not the government's job. It is a very sad situation that should be fixed but the way the VA system is flawed (and has been for years) I doubt it can be fixed.

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      when I was in Afghanistan it was over 2 billion a day. I dont think the shrinks are trained for treatment in mentl health other than increasing med dosages or locking people up. both options turn people away from shrinks...unless the meds actually work/help. but who wants to be so out of it or so prozac'd up they bouncing off walls in happiness? yes gun laws can be changed for the better, I read that kid had seen shrinks before but bought the gun legally...maybe the gun laws need to have a mental health check? I dont want "mentally impaired" people buying guns either.

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      My DD's future husband was in the army and was studying to become a mental health practitioner (not a doctor, but someone who was trained to work with those with PTSD). He was training when troops were being brought back to the US and suddenly there were too many soldiers and not enough room for them. They really put the pressure on him and he ended out tapping out. Thankfully he got an honorable discharge. Anyway, when I found out what he was studying it worried me. Just months after he left the base he was out had a shooting and they said it was a returned soldier suffering from PTSD. Very scary.

      I think a lot more research needs to be done to effectively treat PTSD.

      And yeah, gun laws can be changed but I doubt very much that they will be.

      And apparently the shrinks the kid saw thought his problems were depression, possibly tied to his aspergers. His manifesto says over and over how sad he was. I don't think he was on any meds. And when the cops came to visit him they didn't suspect him of anything other than being sad.

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      I just wrote a zillion word rant. Won't make a difference to anyone who read it.

      People don't take responsibility for their actions. It's an inanimate object which gets the blame. Or it's a movie/tv show. No it's the choice of the individual. Period. By the age of 4 we all know right from wrong. They do wrong. Weapons can't think.

      PTSD is horrific. Scary. 22 of our beautiful men and women die every day. Where is that on the news? It is no different than if killed by the enemy on foreign soil. The toll is greater than we actually lost in conflict.

      And we chose to ignore it. Shame on us as a Country.

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      Quote Originally Posted by BogeyBaby View Post
      My DD's future husband was in the army and was studying to become a mental health practitioner (not a doctor, but someone who was trained to work with those with PTSD). He was training when troops were being brought back to the US and suddenly there were too many soldiers and not enough room for them. They really put the pressure on him and he ended out tapping out. Thankfully he got an honorable discharge. Anyway, when I found out what he was studying it worried me. Just months after he left the base he was out had a shooting and they said it was a returned soldier suffering from PTSD. Very scary.


      I think a lot more research needs to be done to effectively treat PTSD.

      And yeah, gun laws can be changed but I doubt very much that they will be.

      And apparently the shrinks the kid saw thought his problems were depression, possibly tied to his aspergers. His manifesto says over and over how sad he was. I don't think he was on any meds. And when the cops came to visit him they didn't suspect him of anything other than being sad.
      He probably had one or more personality disorders also. And one heck of a liar/manipulator. Second guessing what happened prior to his break is impossible. He broke and decided to act out his craziness. The blame goes on the shooter. I have no sympathy for him.

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      It seems as if this incident was preventable, had the police acted when the parents alerted them. The parents knew he was deranged and were afraid he would do something like this. Its a recurring theme. Everyone knows the person is dangerous but nothing gets done. And then when something awful happens like this, babble endlessly about gun control. We have the same issues here in Canada. Laws were changed so that we cannot compel disturbed people to seek help or take medication. It's just so awful.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandra View Post
      It seems as if this incident was preventable, had the police acted when the parents alerted them. The parents knew he was deranged and were afraid he would do something like this. Its a recurring theme. Everyone knows the person is dangerous but nothing gets done. And then when something awful happens like this, babble endlessly about gun control. We have the same issues here in Canada. Laws were changed so that we cannot compel disturbed people to seek help or take medication. It's just so awful.
      Police can only act if the person is a threat to themselves or others. They cannot take someones word a person is a threat - they have to witness it. Then they can take the individual to a hospital for a 72 hour hold. My guess is the 'kid' lied/manipulated to the cops (imagine that!) and they saw no threat. Until someone gets a copy of the police report, if one was made it will all be guessing. And in the American way the police department/officers will probably be sued. The parents could have had him admitted, could have called his shrink but they didn't. Not blaming them at all. This 'kid' would have done this horrific act no matter what - as soon as he was released. His mind was set and probably took a while to write his manifest. It was the period just prior to the writing when help should have been sought.

      Hind sight is 20/20.

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      They are also ALL over a story of a kid here in AZ that found a firearm in his house and accidentally shot his infant sibling in the head causing fatality. Yet we loose so many of our little ones here by accidental drowning. No swimming pool bans?

      Accountability is right. I have a hard luck story myself, father killed, widowed mother with six still at home at the time and whine whine whine. I have no business, no excuse to commit crime. Never did. And when I forgot by stealing, that single mother of mine beat my bottom with a Mexican quirt and took me by the ear to confess my theft to the store manager.
      for every action is a RE action and to earn respect, you give respect. Work the same rather the boss is around or not, Parents don't teach their kids stuff like that anymore.

      I went to pick up my GS at an event held by the local police dept. I was shocked that kids were ignoring these two cops who led them out to release them. Parents need to teach their kids if a cop tells you to do something, you better do it.

      this latest ding a ling has had his picture plastered all over CNN NBC ABC FOX all the news stations his "manifest" delivered, his hard luck story plastered everywhere too, screw that monkey I got my hard luck story too, I got no business and neither did he to do what he did. Those poor victims are never shown, they just paid the price, and their families.


      on the vet deal; I am embarrassed as an American that our boys are treated badly after serving for us all as they did. These veteran hospitals are a disgusting sorry excuse of gratitude for their very existence. The military and VA need to recognize and correct these problems.

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      Totally agree that mental health care reform is long overdue and much needed. I've never shot a gun in my life and don't have much interest, but I get SO annoyed by all those anti-gun FB posts and everyone thinking that is the issue. Thought the below was very insightful.

      'I Am Adam Lanza's Mother': A Mom's Perspective On The Mental Illness Conversation In America

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