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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfz View Post
    We live on a main road and my worst fear is an accident. when she gets out I want to control her for her safety.
    Does she get out often? If so, you need to control that.

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    In the 6 months .she has gotten out maybe 3 or 4 times .Everytime she went to explorer the neighbours and once she jumped a fence at my neighbours to find us. We thought she was playing with that dog but she decided she rather be with us. Once I was cooking she went to the backyard got her toy and brought it to me.

    I just saw a dog hit near my house and 2 yrs ago my neighbours gsd scared me and ran into the road and got killed.shr was so big I had to carry her to be buried.


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    We were just talking about this on Sat at our obed classes. I had to teach/ evaluate students though I also have Ruby (21 mos old) in the class and one asked. They had a RN title, but apparently their attempt at Rally Advanced (off leash) was a bust. I told her we were all probably at the same point in our training, realistically. Baby steps. On Sat, I set up a Beginner Nov course. BN is all on lead, but it's a shorter heeling pattern than Novice. I think if all of our dogs can at least do that course by week 4 offlead, we're on our way but heeling is really the HARDEST part of obed and offlead??? Well, you have to have a really good relationship w/ your dog.

    So silverfz, any way you can get into an obed class to train w/ other people/dogs? Dogs are dogs. They are a completely different entity when outside of their yard, or around other dogs/ people/ distractions. 8 mos is very young btw... I'm going to guess that you are now entering hell phase....
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    I have a couple of thoughts:

    (1) I use an e-collar on my dogs. I do field work and about 99% of serious field folks do the same. (That might change someday, but...) But I think anyone who takes a dog, slaps an e-collar on them, trains them for 5 days, and then sends them back to the owner after charging a four figure amount of money is (A) cruel and (B) running a major scam. That is just awful. A dog isn't TRAINED with an e-collar. The collar only reinforces commands the dog knows.

    2. I could be wrong. Maybe someone on this forum can correct me. But I don't think a dog is ever, ever, ever fully reliable on a recall. I can tell you that my dog is reliable 99 times out of a 100. But that just means I am unaware of when that rare irresistible distraction is going to present itself to my dog and cause her to take off and ignore me. I lied. If she's hot on the heels of a jack-rabbit, I know she won't come immediately. But the point is, even though my dog is really, really, really good with her recall, I'm not going to risk her life on it. I will not take her out without some means of controlling her. So, that might be a a fenced in area, or (because my dog is properly conditioned) an e-collar, or she might drag a long line if I'm WAY way out away from any roads. But, sometimes I forget to stop her progress toward the door when I'm opening it to step outside for a minute, and she beats me through it. THAT is when the reliable recall is good. "NO. COME BACK HERE. Now SIT! STAY!" So, I need the recall when I've messed up and forgotten to give her clear instructions.

    3. I don't go to dog parks. I can't stand being around a swarm of untrained dogs and people yelling for Duke or Dixie who are totally out of control. I'm over trying to defend my dog who is standing compliantly at my side. It makes me crazy when someone yells at me from 120 yards away that their precious 80 pound shepherd mix (the one who is all bowed up on my dog) just likes to play. I'm done with dog parks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverfz View Post
    In the 6 months .she has gotten out maybe 3 or 4 times .Everytime she went to explorer the neighbours and once she jumped a fence at my neighbours to find us. We thought she was playing with that dog but she decided she rather be with us. Once I was cooking she went to the backyard got her toy and brought it to me.

    I just saw a dog hit near my house and 2 yrs ago my neighbours gsd scared me and ran into the road and got killed.shr was so big I had to carry her to be buried.


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    This is not a recall issue. This is a you need to manage your dog issue. A stellar recall is not going to do anything unless it's a situation where the dog takes off and you are right there. In these cases, the dog was left unattended and wanted to be with you and found a way to do it. It's not a normal thing for a dog to escape and 3 or 4 times in 6 months is a LOT. I would consider 3 or 4 times in a lifetime to be too much. Once? Maybe, like if your door blew open or your dog got spooked and ripped out of your hand unexpectedly or you are outside gardening and your dog showed you how he could jump the fence. But those are less management issues and more freak things. Very few Labradors like being left outside and it's not uncommon for them to find ways to get out to find their people, or just people in general or other dogs. Once she is self-rewarded, it won't stop unless you stop leaving her out or make your yard escape-proof. Your dog has shown you that she cannot be trusted outside unattended. Trust her on that!

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    She has 2 rounds of training and we will return to do agility or nose work this month. She does real good in training .very focused .

    Seems the only thing I can do is manage her and plan to build a fence next year . she is always on her lead outside .she has started to hang out in the backyard for 30 minutes or so on her own.

    She always escaped to be with the kids in the backyard 3 times she got out.

    She is still baby still and a work in progress .

    I do not trust a wireless fence for now.

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    I don't know, I love the e-collar and the dogs know that something GREAT is happening when they come out. I basically just use it for recalls or Here. I start training them on the e-collar around 6 months. We can do walks on our property without them but if something was very enticing, I'd probably be lost! LOL I also find that with mine knowing recalls with the collar, they do listen better without them on. I have no problem with the dogs knowing there is a little adverse stimuli if they don't listen. Heck, they are more freaked by the beeping on the collar and I RARELY give them the shock correction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labradorks View Post
    This is not a recall issue. This is a you need to manage your dog issue. A stellar recall is not going to do anything unless it's a situation where the dog takes off and you are right there. In these cases, the dog was left unattended and wanted to be with you and found a way to do it. It's not a normal thing for a dog to escape and 3 or 4 times in 6 months is a LOT. I would consider 3 or 4 times in a lifetime to be too much. Once? Maybe, like if your door blew open or your dog got spooked and ripped out of your hand unexpectedly or you are outside gardening and your dog showed you how he could jump the fence. But those are less management issues and more freak things. Very few Labradors like being left outside and it's not uncommon for them to find ways to get out to find their people, or just people in general or other dogs. Once she is self-rewarded, it won't stop unless you stop leaving her out or make your yard escape-proof. Your dog has shown you that she cannot be trusted outside unattended. Trust her on that!
    I agree mostly, once they find neighbor people or dogs and get self-rewarded by greeting and playing with them I don't think it matters if you're there or not, they know where they live and they know you'll be there when they get done.

    Quote Originally Posted by silverfz View Post
    She has 2 rounds of training and we will return to do agility or nose work this month. She does real good in training .very focused .

    Seems the only thing I can do is manage her and plan to build a fence next year . she is always on her lead outside .she has started to hang out in the backyard for 30 minutes or so on her own.
    Sounds like a good plan.

    She always escaped to be with the kids in the backyard 3 times she got out.
    Yep. See above.

    She is still baby still and a work in progress .
    Of course and you're right to be patient.

    I do not trust a wireless fence for now.
    Me neither.
    computer issues here, hope my post came out o.k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenC View Post
    I don't know, I love the e-collar and the dogs know that something GREAT is happening when they come out. I basically just use it for recalls or Here. I start training them on the e-collar around 6 months. We can do walks on our property without them but if something was very enticing, I'd probably be lost! LOL I also find that with mine knowing recalls with the collar, they do listen better without them on. I have no problem with the dogs knowing there is a little adverse stimuli if they don't listen. Heck, they are more freaked by the beeping on the collar and I RARELY give them the shock correction.
    Interesting positive feedback on e-collars, so many are against using them. thanks

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    E-collars are just a tool. And not a "teaching tool". YOU must teach the dog. When the dog knows, beyond any question of a doubt, what he is supposed to do with a specific command... THEN you can push the transmitter button on a properly conditioned dog. It is never a matter of "guess what I'm thinking" nick-buzz-burn.

 



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