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      E Collar and Moppy ?

      I am lost here. Gigi had a e collar which we never use. Its by bark buster from amazon. It has a beep , 100 level of vibration and 100 level of shock.

      Gigi is 11 month and very mouth when me and my son are playing or running around making noise. last night i put this on. i have tried using this when she was 6 month once and decided not to as vibration or even shock set at 1 did not make any difference. But we will be dog sitting and the last few times she has become a lot nuttier with the other dog. The dog we sit is a dog we re-homed and is only 10 lbs. His new owner had let me fatten up and he is alot calmer.

      anyway i put it in 40 vibrate and put on her. hit it once to tell her to not bite me.. She has been mopping around and decided no more mouthing and barking . I put the vibrate down to 20. I tried the 40 on my arm and its like vibrate for a older flip phone and now at 20 like a normal cell phone.am i damaging her mental status or its a short term thing and she will be back to her self soon.

      I took the collar off and she was back to nutty gigi after a day. Now we are just have her on the collar and not even have the remote outside. she seems alot of in control with the collar on. maybe i can get a fake one to for her to wear.

      She is 70lbs and quite strong now . She goes to a dog park and runs like crazy for 3 hrs a week and day care. I even walk her in the winter but not like in summer. But she gets a little cabin crazy sometimes and mouthy.

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      Feb 27 she is restarts training and one of the thing we will work on is to how to use the e collar. As this is an advanced class i get to pick what i want to work on
      e collar and jumping into the back of suv is my other.

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      When reading your first note, I was wondering how she had been trained to the collar initially. They have to understand the commands before you put on the collar, it's intended for reinforcement of commands they already know. I'm glad you're going to a class. I would stop using the e-collar for now until you've gone through formal collar training.

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      If you are lost I highly recommend waiting for a trainer/training on proper usage of the collar before using it. It's not a put on and push a button sorta thing.

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      Definitely never just choose a number and use it on your dog. Even if it feels fine to you, your dog has it's own feelings and sensitivities. You should absolutely consult a trainer on how to use the ecollar because using it like that can most importantly hurt your dog, and secondly ruin the collar's effectiveness.
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      You are a classic example of somebody that should NEVER use an e-collar. Total misunderstanding of the proper usage of the device and total irresponsibility for not training your dog to known commands and properly collar conditioning the dog prior to using the e-collar. I am not about to tread lightly here for the benefit of your K9. STOP using the e-collar immediately and learn to use it properly before ever considering it's use again. No grudge betwixt ye and meself, I am just beyond concerned for the welfare o' ye dog.😩

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      After this post and talking to the trainer I have not used that collar .

      Also, she seems to have settled on having another dog in the house. Alot of no and leave it later we have no need for the collar.



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      So glad you found what works for Gigi. Not every training tool works for every dog.

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      Quote Originally Posted by CraftHer View Post
      So glad you found what works for Gigi. Not every training tool works for every dog.
      Especially when completely and irresponsibly misused.

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      When I was working on my PhD in psychology, while my orientation was clinical, in those years many/(most?) psychology departments were highly oriented to learning theories and we had many, many class & laboratory hours in learning theory & practice. (My dissertation was on a learning theory problem.) I felt so clinically unprepared and inadequate in clinical practice that, after graduating, I took a salary cut from what I was earning as a doctoral student to get excellent clinical orientation and experience in my first job. (Later, when I raised several dogs, I came to appreciate having that huge earlier emphasis on learning that I'd had.)

      No one should ever use an e-collar without adequately studying and understanding how learning takes place and how an e-collar should be effectively used.

      Several months ago, I bought a Dogtra IQ e-collar (about $150) to use with Zach because he always seemed far more interested in exploring and finding interesting things to eat than responding to any commands I gave him when he was off-leash -- this while I was attempting to expand his fetching from his kindergarten experiences in our home to the great outdoors.

      I put the collar on him 3X a day for several weeks when taking our usual walks before ever pressing the Dogtra control button to give him a stimulus. That's so he would not associate wearing the collar with getting a stimulus experience.

      This Dogtra offers adjustable levels of 3 types of stimulus -- vibration, and either nick or a longer shock. I set the level of shock to the one which I found just barely tingling on MY skin.

      In our many hundred uses, I've maybe only used nick on Zach once or twice -- all other times I've found him very adequately responsive to vibrations. I only occasionally give him a vibration stimulus when he ignores my command to come but that's been very effective in making him much more responsive to my commands to come (or occasionally "pick it up").

      Zach also always gets verbal praise plus a few kibbles as his reward for bringing back his bumper to my hand. (Since he is always so HIGHLY food oriented, this helps a lot, too.)

      IMO, dog owners should NOT ever use an e-collar unless they adequately understand the principles of learning and how the use of an e-collar can fit in with those. Otherwise, they should have a professional do the training.
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