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    No offense taken whatsoever. There's lots of good advice here.

    We use an eCollar for Mocha. In certain situations it seems he goes deaf No matter what I say or how loud I yell, if he's in the zone he just doesn't hear me. The eCollar gets his attention and breaks that zone. We mostly use the noise part of it. It's a similar noise to the invisible fence and he knows to back off.

    Read and research how to use the eCollar and know exactly what you want to do with it. You don't just start zapping away (from your post, I know you wouldn't do this). It has to be a part of a training program. When Mocha hears the sound, he stops what he's doing. Chili, Voodoo's dog, knows that sound means recall because that's how he was trained.

    The shock you feel is not the same that your dog will feel. I put Mocha's collar on 2 and zapped myself. I felt it up to my elbow. For Mocha, 2 is nothing. I think it's set on 10 or 11 and it's enough to get his attention. If he yelps, it's too high! Mocha's hide is a lot tougher than mine.

    "The easy way out" doesn't necessarily mean the wrong way. If there's an "easy way" to teach Mocha to stop jumping, then I'm in. Within reason, of course. I would never hurt Mocha. But my point is easy doesn't mean wrong.

    And you probably are babying Cash but I'm sure it's no more than he deserves There is definitely a happy place between babying him and training him. Good Luck.

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    I use an e-collar for recall and off leash obedience and I love it. I don't think you would need one for your dog jumping in the house. That is better suited to positive reinforcement or not inviting the people that tell you to shock your dog for jumping over to your house.
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    Our trainer told us dogs live in the moment. The e collar is used to bring them out of the moment. Mocha can be, as someone said earlier, a strong willed "meathead". We use the e collar and mostly use the tone function. We have not used it in quite some time. He developed a habit (caused by mom and dad!) of jumping on people. At 105 pounds this can be bad. We have been working very hard over the last 2 weeks to break this habit. Basically we say "NO JUMP" or "NO" and hold out our hand. It is a non-stop process and takes lots of reminding.
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    My dogs are beautifully behaved most of the time. They have obedience titles and their CGCs. One of my dogs accomplished all this by the time he was 1 year and one week old and placed first in every class. They are a pleasure to train and work with. I can walk both 90+ lb dogs through town one handed on flat buckled collars. They don't have any behavior issues.

    But it guess what? When people come over they are *freaking insane* and one jumps all over my visitors while the other one pushes between their legs from the back putting them off balance. People have to hold onto the wall to keep from being taken down. Sometimes they also pull on peoples' clothing with their teeth or steal their purses. Just last weekend a friend stopped by. He asked what the ribbons were from and when I told him he laughed and said "These dogs? Seriously?" Or if someone knows about their successful careers but the other person doesn't, they'll say, "Can you believe these dogs go to training all the time and actually win ribbons in competition? Hahahahaha!"

    I'm working on it but it's an uphill battle every time. I can get my dogs to do pretty much anything else except go baths!t crazy when we have guests. For some visitors I crate the dogs and for the dog people who will give them a very stern and serious OFF!!! I leave the dogs out. I tell people they can yell at them and the ones that do typically don't have as many issues. So if this is your only problem, don't bother with the collar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sparky View Post
    Our trainer told us dogs live in the moment. The e collar is used to bring them out of the moment. Mocha can be, as someone said earlier, a strong willed "meathead". We use the e collar and mostly use the tone function. We have not used it in quite some time. He developed a habit (caused by mom and dad!) of jumping on people. At 105 pounds this can be bad. We have been working very hard over the last 2 weeks to break this habit. Basically we say "NO JUMP" or "NO" and hold out our hand. It is a non-stop process and takes lots of reminding.
    Training, when used in conjunction with the e collar are 2 powerful tools in your training bag.
    If I can make a suggestion, I would use a more specific command than NO. Your dog has the ability to learn and know over 100 words. I would be more specific than just saying NO as NO can be used for multiple things. When I choose commands, I make sure that commands aren't similar. I compete in obedience so my commands are very specific. I say ON YOUR FEET instead of STAND, because the "s"in "s"tand makes the same sound as the "s" in "s"it. An eager dog can rush this. Specific commands and phrases I find to be more effective. I can say “go lay in your chair” and my dog knows that means to go to his chair and lay down. Just my two cents for what it’s worth.

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    A different trainer. I usually kept the more strong willed pup out of a litter. Those pups are the really smart ones usually. They are thinking and figuring things out. An owner just has to make sure that the dog understands the rule, that it is clear, ie- no jumping. I would leash the dog, have him in a sit (leash on floor) and then ask a friend to practice ringing the bell and stepping inside. If the dog gets up, close door, get dog back in sit and begin again. It will take some time and many practices but by doing this your dog will clearly understand the etiquette of people coming in the door. I love dogs and I fid it obnoxious when I get jumped on by older dogs that should know how to behave better. So practice, you can body block him if he starts to get up. When he stays, lots of calm praise. When you release him, have him sit in front of your visitor and give another treat.

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    youtube has a lot of good videos for training. this one is popular: How to Train your DOG NOT to JUMP - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauranj View Post
    A different trainer. I usually kept the more strong willed pup out of a litter. Those pups are the really smart ones usually. They are thinking and figuring things out. An owner just has to make sure that the dog understands the rule, that it is clear, ie- no jumping. I would leash the dog, have him in a sit (leash on floor) and then ask a friend to practice ringing the bell and stepping inside. If the dog gets up, close door, get dog back in sit and begin again. It will take some time and many practices but by doing this your dog will clearly understand the etiquette of people coming in the door. I love dogs and I fid it obnoxious when I get jumped on by older dogs that should know how to behave better. So practice, you can body block him if he starts to get up. When he stays, lots of calm praise. When you release him, have him sit in front of your visitor and give another treat.
    Lauranj is right about strong willed dogs. They are usually the smart ones. They are eager to please. They are eager to work. They just need to be guided and taught what is acceptable behavior and what is not acceptable behavior.

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    Thank you every one for the replies! Thank you for not taking my ignorance as offensive

    I will spend some time further researching the collars.. you guys have helped eased my mind that it's not cruel or an "easy way out" of properly training. Thanks for the pointers on training not to jump as well!!

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    I will give a correction, an ahah or no if need be but I prefer to think about what I want, what I want the dog to do (what the ultimate goal is) and then break it down into steps that are clear and teach in a positive way. I expect trainers to not be negative about a dog's temperament but be able to utilize that particular dog's strengths so that the dog learns what the goal or command is. I would be looking for a different trainer, one more experienced, one who can recognize the potential in a stronger willed dog. Lots of potential in a strong willed dog. Make sure you are teaching some new things, some new commands, mixing things up how you train, where you train. Strong willed dogs are usually very enthusiastic and I love that.

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