Tanya (07-28-2015)
Thank you! I have been trying to figure out how to say this without sounding like a jerk. You did it much better than I ever could have. The other thing that bothers me is the way things change as the thread goes on. If you read just this thread, from the first post to the most recent, it seems like more than one dog is being talked about. At least that is how I read it. I can't possibly be the only one that notices this.
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Maxx and Emma Jean
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Tanya (07-28-2015)
Well, based on your posts, your dog is a throwback to the old hard headed, "balls to the wall" (as you yourself put it) type of field trial retriever. I honestly can say, she might be a bit too much dog for you. About the socialization issue: She was the last one to go home, at 6.5 weeks? Missed critical litter time, where she would learn to behave around other dogs. I assume from your statement your breeder lets the litter go at the improper age of 6 weeks, not to mention possibly breeding without any regard for proper Lab temperament, and bloodlines. The EIC carrier is actually a non-issue, because anyone that breeds knows that if you breed a carrier to a clear, your pups are good. I don't know why you go on and on about it.
Like dxboon said, you also don't know our levels of experience. But every thread you start, you manage to run us down as not knowing anything about field dogs, because you are the only expert here. Oh, and then you run to RTF to complain about us not knowing anything.
You really need to take a chill pill on some of your posts. If you ask for advice, you're going to get it. And it may not align with what you want to hear.
Try to be a little less arrogant.
It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are.
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Maxx&Emma (07-28-2015)
Tumicks my comments were only in regards to your postings. You post one day about issues you have with your pup then complain when people recommend ways to address it saying she doesn't have an issue. I honestly could care less about "field dogs" in general, each dog is different so I am big on "working with the dog you have" and not "working for the breed/lines" one has. A working dog still needs basic manners.
if your girl is so perfect then fine, but don't post about issues you have with her and then get mad when people recommend options to improve that.
Ivy
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I pray a person thinking of getting a Lab does not think the dog referenced in this thread is typical of any Lab, especially a Field bred Lab. I know many Field bred Labs with stellar temperaments that can go anywhere with their families and have no problems interacting with any dogs. Do your research and ask lots of questions but please do not look at this kind of behavior as a representative of a typical Field or even a Bench bred Lab.
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It's been 3 and a half months since the first time I posted this and so I'm resurrecting it to add on, combine with another thread and so on.
In the field, we seemed to have gotten over the problem. But much of that was vigilance. No surprises... no "occasions of sin", so to speak.
We are now in a little PetSmart obedience group with about 7 other dogs... learning (on my part) how to use more positive methods. I had worried that I'd need to take her to such a class with her e-collar on, such was my anxiety. And they would have let me. But RD has been getting better, and I brought her to class with just a pinch collar.
It's gone well.
However, there is a dog there that is not well controlled. In fact, it's like the owner can't read his dog and has pretty consistently let him get in RD's space, and/or get behind her to sniff her butt.
RD waits it out, and will listen to me and watch me when this is happening. I think I've prevented all the adverse events. But still, RD has her limits. On one occasion, the other dog was faster than I was and RD went from 0 to brush-back-high-and-tight right NOW... boom! But without a snap. No teeth. She was puffed up, spun around and growled at the offending dog.
Was this undue aggression on her part? Was her behavior within some standard deviation of reasonable for dogs? I don't think I'll ever take her for granted around other dogs... but I'm wondering if she is semi-normal in this regard.
I don't think this was undue aggression. I think it was a typical dog giving a warning that they didn't like what the other dog was doing. She basically issued a correction, no more, no less.
Annette47 (10-22-2015), windycanyon (10-22-2015)
i wouldn't call that aggression per say (obviously wasn't there to see so can't say for sure). more a correction if all she did was spin, growl then back off. "dude get out of my space". Growling doesn't' mean aggression. it's a form of communication. it is TOTALLy legit and acceptable (and a good thing) when a dog corrects an inappropriate dog.
Ivy
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windycanyon (10-22-2015)
Ditto Barry, my thoughts too. I think that behaviour was completely withing the realm of resonable. Oban sometimes is the butt sniffer. I notice a big difference in the dogs, all female, (but not all females) that he does it to. Some just move away, some whirl and clearly let him know it is not appreciated. Fortunately he always gets the message and backs off.
I just went through this whole thread and see you have been given several links. I don't think Suzanne Clothier's article, "He Just Wants to Say Hi" has been linked yet. The first sentence in the article is "Aggression or appropriate response to rudeness?"
https://www.suzanneclothier.com/the-articles/he-just-wants-say-hi
I really have to think this could be where RD/you are at.
ETA: Hmmm, now why is it not showing as a hyperlink? Will try again but you might have to copy and paste.
He Just Wants To Say | Suzanne Clothier
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Without seeing it, from your description, I would tend to agree. Both of my bitches (Scully and Chloe) have been prone to do this - never unprovoked, but they don’t/didn’t have a high tolerance for dogs getting in their personal space. In Chloe’s case, she tolerates it briefly but if the dog persists, she will get snarky, so I am vigilant to step in between and end the interaction while it is still in her comfort zone. Watching the puppies, I think Sassy will end up being like her mother, but Cookie seems to be a more tolerant type.
Annette
Cookie (HIT HC Jamrah's Legally Blonde, UDX, OM2, BN) 6/4/2015
Sassy (HIT Jamrah's Blonde Ambition, UDX, OM2, BN) 6/4/2015
Chloe (HIT HC OTCH Windsong's Femme Fatale, UDX4, OM6, RE) 6/7/2009
And remembering:
Scully (HC Coventry's Truth Is Out There, UD, TD, RN) 4/14/1996 - 6/30/2011
Mulder (Coventry's I Want To Believe, UD, RN, WC) 5/26/1999 - 4/22/2015
And our foster Jolie (Windsong's Genuine Risk, CDX) 5/26/1999 - 3/16/2014
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I always have to laugh at the people who allow their dogs to sniff a strange (to them) dog yet when this happened last weekend at an agility trial and my pup thought it'd be okay to check his out, she pulls her boy back and announces that ever since his injury, he's not very tolerant to that. I just smiled and said "Hmmmmm". What funny messages owners send their dogs, eh? Actually I wish at times mine would give the obnoxious ones more of a reprimand as I instead find myself taking wide berths around certain dogs/ owners.
If she were mine, I'd make sure we were sitting as far away from the offender as I could at class. It seems all the PetSmart obed areas are tiny, however, so not sure how that works in such a place, but that's what I do at our dog classes once I figure out who the clueless owners are (ie the ones that don't seem to have a clear idea why they are at class).
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