Vet recomendations

[bearsowner]

Purina, owned by Nestle

Iams/Eukanuba, owned by Procter and Gamble

Their number one concern and priority is profit and keeping their shareholders happy.

They could give a rat's a$$ about your dog...

Opinion? Yes, mine

To make a profit you have to keep your costs down, to keep your costs down, you will use the cheapest ingredients that are out there to use to manufacturer anything and everything you make.

Need I say more??

[ohgrl95]

Originally Posted by bearsowner

Purina, owned by Nestle

Iams/Eukanuba, owned by Procter and Gamble

Their number one concern and priority is profit and keeping their shareholders happy.

They could give a rat's a$$ about your dog...

Opinion? Yes, mine

To make a profit you have to keep your costs down, to keep your costs down, you will use the cheapest ingredients that are out there to use to manufacturer anything and everything you make.

Need I say more??

I doubt ANY dog food company is doing things pro-bono. They are all interested in making a profit. You dont have to keep costs down by using cheap ingredients, you can do it by selling large quantities. Which is why big companies keep making it bigger, people like their product. Pepsi, I like it, I buy it, Store brand cola, I dont like it, I dont buy it. I dont worry when I drink pepsi that they are trying to kill me with cheap ingredients so they can make a buck. I also dont think the store brand version is good for me because they dont sell as much.

Pro-plan feeder and proud. Works for my dog, might not work for yours.

[Woofie]

Originally Posted by Doppler

Here is your post after editing:

I never said "no one has a right to be advising anyone" where did you get that from? As I have said before, I have a problem with how you interpret my posts and I would prefer that you either quote me or ask for clarification.

Make sure you're prepared to do the same for others; perhaps Doppler you have all the time in the world....I however work a fulltime job and then some, don't have time to be exact.....not like you are exact either however.

FWIW - in my 90% calculation, I meant to say Purina/Diamond products, not just Purina...you forget Doppler, I'm typing with 2 ripped off fingers, and deeply in pain, I don't have all your carefree time for examing everly little detail.

Like I said....not worth it. Happy arguing with yourself.

[Woofie]

Wanted to add, Doppler, it's funny how you always come into the middle of a thread and love to be argumentative; yet you couldn't provide answers to Patty's questions in another thread about yourself and whether or not you've ever raised any puppies; etc. You love to turn a thread around and make it all about what you feel should be right.

This thread/discussion had nothing to do with *you*, yet you come in and tear apart my responses; why can't you just respond to the OP in a topic and stop pulling apart others responses.....what gives YOU that right?? Are you a vet? Are you a nutritionalist? Are you the moderator?

No...you're not. So butt out of my responses, I didn't ask for your opinons on scrutinizing every post!

[Doppler]

Originally Posted by Woofie

Wanted to add, Doppler, it's funny how you always come into the middle of a thread and love to be argumentative; yet you couldn't provide answers to Patty's questions in another thread about yourself and whether or not you've ever raised any puppies; etc. You love to turn a thread around and make it all about what you feel should be right.

This thread/discussion had nothing to do with *you*, yet you come in and tear apart my responses; why can't you just respond to the OP in a topic and stop pulling apart others responses.....what gives YOU that right?? Are you a vet? Are you a nutritionalist? Are you the moderator?

No...you're not. So butt out of my responses, I didn't ask for your opinons on scrutinizing every post!

Go back and look at my first post in this thread. I posted my opinion on a discussion that was going on in the thread, I didn't quote anyone, I only wanted to post my opinion. It was your choice to quote me and dissect what I said instead of reading my post and moving on. After my first post in this thread I only responded to comments that you made in response to that post. I think it is you that likes to be argumentative.

[Patty/Breeder]

Originally Posted by Woofie

Wanted to add, Doppler, it's funny how you always come into the middle of a thread and love to be argumentative; yet you couldn't provide answers to Patty's questions in another thread about yourself and whether or not you've ever raised any puppies; etc. You love to turn a thread around and make it all about what you feel should be right.

This thread/discussion had nothing to do with *you*, yet you come in and tear apart my responses; why can't you just respond to the OP in a topic and stop pulling apart others responses.....what gives YOU that right?? Are you a vet? Are you a nutritionalist? Are you the moderator?

No...you're not. So butt out of my responses, I didn't ask for your opinons on scrutinizing every post!

Quoting Doppler (forgive me all this time on the board and I still don't know how to properly quote more than one person in a post :-) )

"Go back and look at my first post in this thread. I posted my opinion on a discussion that was going on in the thread, I didn't quote anyone, I only wanted to post my opinion. It was your choice to quote me and dissect what I said instead of reading my post and moving on. After my first post in this thread I only responded to comments that you made in response to that post. I think it is you that likes to be argumentative"

I beg to differ with you Doppler - you argue with most people on this board.

And I will again ask you to answer my questions. If you are going to have so many opinions and argue with so many than tell us more about you if you expect to get any respect from the members of this board and expect members to "respect" your opinions/experience.

[/QUOTE]You have also put your 2 cents in on many of the threads on the breeder section in the past and I have always wondered about you. Do you breed? No one on this board has any way of knowing because you reveal very little about yourself.

Yet you come on threads like this and question people who have years of knowledge.

How long have you been researching canine nutrition and dog food? How long have you been raising Labs or any breed of dog for that matter?

The other question I have is are you male or female?

Will you ever respond to these questions or just continue to ignor them yet continue to be rude to other board members?

[Doppler]

Originally Posted by Patty/Breeder

Quoting Doppler (forgive me all this time on the board and I still don't know how to properly quote more than one person in a post :-) )

"Go back and look at my first post in this thread. I posted my opinion on a discussion that was going on in the thread, I didn't quote anyone, I only wanted to post my opinion. It was your choice to quote me and dissect what I said instead of reading my post and moving on. After my first post in this thread I only responded to comments that you made in response to that post. I think it is you that likes to be argumentative"

I beg to differ with you Doppler - you argue with most people on this board.

And I will again ask you to answer my questions. If you are going to have so many opinions and argue with so many than tell us more about you if you expect to get any respect from the members of this board and expect members to "respect" your opinions/experience.

You have also put your 2 cents in on many of the threads on the breeder section in the past and I have always wondered about you. Do you breed? No one on this board has any way of knowing because you reveal very little about yourself.

Yet you come on threads like this and question people who have years of knowledge.

How long have you been researching canine nutrition and dog food? How long have you been raising Labs or any breed of dog for that matter?

The other question I have is are you male or female?

Will you ever respond to these questions or just continue to ignor them yet continue to be rude to other board members?

Your post is inappropriate and rude. You're entitled to your opinions as I am mine. I don't know what your obsession is with me but you should let it go.

No Patty, I will not answer your questions. A little mystery is intriguing isn't it?

[bearsowner]

Quoting Rodney King:

"why can't we all just get along"

[HotWhenCold]

Be careful taking brand advice from the vet. Most times, the vet gets certain brands (Science Diet, Iams, Eukenuba) at little to no cost. Nutro has always been a great brand and so is purina.

[Woofie]

Patty - I wouldn't fret over it.

A person who won't at least give the board the respect of whether to refer to the person as male or female doesn't deserve respect from the board, IMHO.

I understand keeping each persons identity to a minimum, but if one is so unrespectful of him or herself to not even say male or female, why should anyone ever reading a simple post of that person believe anything they ever have to say.

Why should we extend the respect, if that person can't give it to us?

I for one would (have) liked to know where the knowledge that person has is coming from, however cause that person can't answer a simple question, I'm led to believe the person is non-existant and doesn't earn my time to ever acknowledge another response.

[uplander]

It doesn't matter what sex Doppler is....it is the motivation....

As a pet owner....I understand all forum information is opinion....and everyone is entitled to theirs...right or wrong....

The only place Purina, Nutro, Iams , Pedigree, and Science Diet get questioned is Internet Forums....

Holistic Vets think Science Diet is a reason for poor pet health...Conventional Vets think the opposite...

If you are a person who thinks foods can help prevent illness you stay away from highly processed foods...does your dog need that philosophy ? That is where we get into the debates...and if it works..does it matter....

A new poster just mentioned Nutro as being a great food ....I bet that their experience has been good....but if you follow the industry it is a food that has had it's share of problems...

People see yeasty ears, eye boogers, and loose stool as reasons to change diets....or a poor coat or itching....The thing we all can't see is what is happening to the internal organs...Does anyone not believe all the Cancer in dogs is not about the food chain ? You can feed the best food in the market place....but if the chickens they use have been eating feeds that are tainted the chicken meat and bone is going to have heavy metals...and is just as bad for your dog as is feeding foods with fish meal....

The reason Cal Nat Lamb works for so many dogs is not about anything else except it is a clean food....Free range Lamb...eating grass in a natural environment...but is 21 % protein too low ? another debate...if you work your dog....

Feeding your dog will be the hardest decision as an owner you make...because of all the choices.... and so few will work for you and your dog...why that is has to be because of sourcing and reaction to the processing....Dogs by nature can eat just about anything and survive...they have a great Liver...that converts many things eaten into what they need...

Kibble also gives many manufactures the place to hide the fact every production run is different ....Who is going to check ? As long as the color and shape of the kibble is the same..people don't get each bag tested...only if a problem arises does anyone question what was in the bag....

Should AAFCO/ FDA regulations be better....Yes... would the public be willing to pay for more inspections ... They hate taxes...

Getting back to the OP...you either trust your Vet and work with him....or seek out a Holistic Vet....I don't think Science Diet fed for a short period of time to your dog is an issue....long term maybe....

I would look at an Innova senior diet if the issue persists.... Innova works hard to get the PH of their foods correct...and helps seniors stay healthy....

[Patty/Breeder]

Originally Posted by Doppler

Your post is inappropriate and rude. You're entitled to your opinions as I am mine. I don't know what your obsession is with me but you should let it go.

No Patty, I will not answer your questions. A little mystery is intriguing isn't it?

I have no obsesssion with you (don't flatter yourself) I am just tired of your being rude to people on the board, demanding answers to your questions yet not giving the same in return. Thats not the way people act on this board so I suggest you change your attitude so this can remain a happy place.

And, I agree with Woofie's last post.

[Doppler]

Originally Posted by Patty/Breeder

I have no obsesssion with you (don't flatter yourself) I am just tired of your being rude to people on the board, demanding answers to your questions yet not giving the same in return. Thats not the way people act on this board so I suggest you change your attitude so this can remain a happy place.

And, I agree with Woofie's last post.

I suggest you take your complaints to Woody. I don't demand answers, I asked for clarification on something that was previously posted. You have rudely demanded answers from me to personal questions that is none of your business. If you intend to give advice on how people should act then you yourself should be setting an example. You made your beef public and that's not how this should have been handled. MYOB already.

[LauraNJ]

Originally Posted by uplander

It doesn't matter what sex Doppler is....it is the motivation....

As a pet owner....I understand all forum information is opinion....and everyone is entitled to theirs...right or wrong....

The only place Purina, Nutro, Iams , Pedigree, and Science Diet get questioned is Internet Forums....

Holistic Vets think Science Diet is a reason for poor pet health...Conventional Vets think the opposite...

If you are a person who thinks foods can help prevent illness you stay away from highly processed foods...does your dog need that philosophy ? That is where we get into the debates...and if it works..does it matter....

A new poster just mentioned Nutro as being a great food ....I bet that their experience has been good....but if you follow the industry it is a food that has had it's share of problems...

People see yeasty ears, eye boogers, and loose stool as reasons to change diets....or a poor coat or itching....The thing we all can't see is what is happening to the internal organs...Does anyone not believe all the Cancer in dogs is not about the food chain ? You can feed the best food in the market place....but if the chickens they use have been eating feeds that are tainted the chicken meat and bone is going to have heavy metals...and is just as bad for your dog as is feeding foods with fish meal....

The reason Cal Nat Lamb works for so many dogs is not about anything else except it is a clean food....Free range Lamb...eating grass in a natural environment...but is 21 % protein too low ? another debate...if you work your dog....

Feeding your dog will be the hardest decision as an owner you make...because of all the choices.... and so few will work for you and your dog...why that is has to be because of sourcing and reaction to the processing....Dogs by nature can eat just about anything and survive...they have a great Liver...that converts many things eaten into what they need...

Kibble also gives many manufactures the place to hide the fact every production run is different ....Who is going to check ? As long as the color and shape of the kibble is the same..people don't get each bag tested...only if a problem arises does anyone question what was in the bag....

Should AAFCO/ FDA regulations be better....Yes... would the public be willing to pay for more inspections ... They hate taxes...

Getting back to the OP...you either trust your Vet and work with him....or seek out a Holistic Vet....I don't think Science Diet fed for a short period of time to your dog is an issue....long term maybe....

I would look at an Innova senior diet if the issue persists.... Innova works hard to get the PH of their foods correct...and helps seniors stay healthy....

Pete- great post, well thought out, non accusatory and I agree with the points you made.

[Patty/Breeder]

Originally Posted by Doppler

I suggest you take your complaints to Woody. I don't demand answers, I asked for clarification on something that was previously posted. You have rudely demanded answers from me to personal questions that is none of your business. If you intend to give advice on how people should act then you yourself should be setting an example. You made your beef public and that's not how this should have been handled. MYOB already.

You asked me a question and I answered it from over 14 years of research and experience. Asking me the same question over and over and telling me I did not answer is demanding IMO.

I have asked my questions of you 3 times. How does it feel? If you can dish it out be prepared to take it.

And I don't think asking if someone is a breeder, what type of dogs they have raised and for how many years and how long they have been researching canine nutrition and dog food are personal questions.

I see no reason why someone would not answer such questions.

As for your gender it was out of curiosity as stated in my original post.

And trust me I have no problem taking it to Woody as I have done in the past with others that got out of line and rude to the members. Woody is quite tollerant but eventually says "thats it"!