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      Quote Originally Posted by oreo View Post
      Can you please let me know if he is more English or American
      It depends, where was he born? England or America?

      There is only one breed standard, they are all Labradors, but vary in type, from "pet bred" (usually really no type at all), or bench/conformation/show lines, and field lines. Unless you are looking for a specific type, when buying a puppy, (your breeder is either active in the show ring, the field, or both) or you adopt an adult of unknown origin. Enjoy him.

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      Quote Originally Posted by barry581 View Post
      I have one English Lab. She was born in the UK. My other Lab is an American Lab, He was born in Yakima Washington.
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      Quote Originally Posted by JenC View Post
      Ann, you are the exception, you also work all the dogs and probably a good portion of your buyers also work their pups from you.

      And ruffled feathers aside, you know the type of breeder I am talking about...1 FC somewhere in the pedigree 6 generations back, 1 CH in the pedigree 5 generations back, and basically the breeder is a glorified puppy mill. We all know that's not YOU!
      Well, maybe on this forum (for now anyhow) but there really are quite a few doing blends by design. I have some field friends actually dipping into the "show" lines, oh my!!! And liking what they are getting!

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      LABRADOR ~ American or English ?

      Aye Mates,

      I was ready to get out the popcorn whilst reading this thread 😂. My puppy MAC is from both CH lines on the dam's (Autumn) side of the pedigree and UK (British and Irish field performance bloodlines) on his sire TRAD's side o' the pedigree. My last two Labs were from British / Irish field performance bloodlines and have been fantastic gun dogs and K9 hunt test athletes.

      So the litter resulting from the TRAD X AUTUMN breeding produced nine absolutely beautiful looking pups. Admittedly, I was somewhat concerned despite seeing a number of JH and SH titles scattered throughout the dam's pedigree that was more heavily weighted with CH titles. As a hardcore waterfowl and upland bird hunter along with an ardent hunt test enthusiast, I had my concerns, all those now in the rearview mirror.

      AUTUMN is an absolute beauty with a matching temperament and she exhibits real athletic ability in her movement. TRAD is an all around wonder when bird hunting and is a handsome lad to boot. MAC, my now 1 year old is stunningly handsome and exhibits great conformation coupled with all the traits his sire TRAD brings with regard to field performance. MAC is truly the whole package and I am expecting greatness out of him starting this year as I campaign him toward his first filed titles.
      MAC'S debut on the field during the pheasant season was an eye opening glimpse of the great things to come for him in the field and dog sports as we progress.

      The photo's below in clockwise order are a very pregnant AUTUMN (she whelped her first litter of nine pups within days of this photograph being taken). TRAD, a handsome sire and outstanding field performer is seen here at age two years old, he is now over five years old. Both AUTUMN and TRAD are yellow factored. MAC was one of a TRAD X AUTUMN litter of nine comprised of five black pups and four yellow pups. MAC was the lightest colored of the yellow pups thrown. MAC brings to the table a combo of stellar good looks and outstanding bird drive, marking ability, scent tracking ability, intelligence, biddability, desire, and share athleticism. Both AUTUMN and TRAD are extremely agile dogs. I have also included here a photograph of MAC and TRAD side by side, (MAC being from both CH and Field performance bloodlines, TRAD being solely from Field performance bloodlines).

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      Quote Originally Posted by IRISHWISTLER View Post
      Aye Mates,

      I was ready to get out the popcorn whilst reading this thread . My puppy MAC is from both CH lines on the dam's (Autumn) side of the pedigree and UK (British and Irish field performance bloodlines) on his sire TRAD's side o' the pedigree. My last two Labs were from British / Irish field performance bloodlines and have been fantastic gun dogs and K9 hunt test athletes.

      So the litter resulting from the TRAD X AUTUMN breeding produced nine absolutely beautiful looking pups. Admittedly, I was somewhat concerned despite seeing a number of JH and SH titles scattered throughout the dam's pedigree that was more heavily weighted with CH titles. As a hardcore waterfowl and upland bird hunter along with an ardent hunt test enthusiast, I had my concerns, all those now in the rearview mirror.

      AUTUMN is an absolute beauty with a matching temperament and she exhibits real athletic ability in her movement. TRAD is an all around wonder when bird hunting and is a handsome lad to boot. MAC, my now 1 year old is stunningly handsome and exhibits great conformation coupled with all the traits his sire TRAD brings with regard to field performance. MAC is truly the whole package and I am expecting greatness out of him starting this year as I campaign him toward his first filed titles.
      MAC'S debut on the field during the pheasant season was an eye opening glimpse of the great things to come for him in the field and dog sports as we progress.

      The photo's below in clockwise order are a very pregnant AUTUMN (she whelped her first litter of nine pups within days of this photograph being taken). TRAD, a handsome sire and outstanding field performer is seen here at age two years old, he is now over five years old. Both AUTUMN and TRAD are yellow factored. MAC was one of a TRAD X AUTUMN litter of nine comprised of five black pups and four yellow pups. MAC was the lightest colored of the yellow pups thrown. MAC brings to the table a combo of stellar good looks and outstanding bird drive, marking ability, scent tracking ability, intelligence, biddability, desire, and share athleticism. Both AUTUMN and TRAD are extremely agile dogs. I have also included here a photograph of MAC and TRAD side by side, (MAC being from both CH and Field performance bloodlines, TRAD being solely from Field performance bloodlines).

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      Isn't it awesome to see that all this can "click"? Breeding is as much a science as it is an art. Even my show friends have begun to correct others who thought I had "field" labs recently. Too funny to hear their comments! We are ALL ONE BREED. That's my message. Let's all strive to keep that as our goal whether as breeders or buyers. TIA. Anne

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      My new pup, Presto, has a GCH dad (also MH and halfway to his OTCH). His pedigree is mostly conformation with a sprinkling of JH titles. He doesn't look like the same dog between conformation and hunt test pics (Pedigree of GCH Seawind Fergmar Bells And Whistles MH UDX OM1) where he looks like a moderately bred Labrador. I talked to his owner on the phone before Presto was born and she told me he did not train for hunt tests while getting his GCH; they had to put weight on him for conformation and then take it off for obedience and field. I know that's a controversial statement...sorry. Aaaannnnyyyyway...mom is typey, but didn't do well enough in the conformation ring to continue spending money to campaign her. She is a MH25 and is the result of field trial dogs (AFC, QAA) bred with CHs on her dam's side. Her sire's side is mostly CH with some lower level performance titles here and there, but he was a CH/UD/MACH/MH. There is an art to this; it's definitely not willy-nilly breeding.

      I went with this breeder for several reasons, but one big one was because she breeds to standard while also breeding performance dogs. Her dogs are moderate with nice heads, good bone, legs, well-structured, and proper coats. Presto's litter might have some CH/MHs in there, but he may not make size and I just don't see him being competitive with what is in the ring these days. If I had a dollar for everyone who has said to me, "Now THAT'S what a Labrador is supposed to look like!"... Which, makes me feel bad because I have two conformation Labs myself, but I do understand what they are saying. I *LOVE* my conformation Labs. I don't think you can beat a conformation bred Lab as a pet. Any person looking for a great pet for themselves, their family, kids, etc., that you can do all kinds of things with, I'd definitely send them to a conformation breeder. And, you can definitely do sports with them, too, but it's just a different experience. Linus and Sam have been much easier to train and socialize - just that calmer more bombproof nature about them - but they also don't have that chutzpah that Presto has, that I wanted, and that makes training him not quite as simple. But the outcome is much different!

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      So Anne raised the point about the last Dual Champion. There will never be another... sadly the field lines and show lines are forever in a state of total disunion. It’s almost like two breeds. “English” looks, is basically a synonym for Bench/show morphology, which I won’t try to characterize. Field bred lines are now basically sprint AND endurance atheletes and competitive dogs have to cover a lot of ground in a big hurry. They’re morphology reflects that reality. (Imagine a dog who will execute three or more 200-400 yard sprints in rapid succession over rough ground and heavy cover, maybe uphill and against the wind.) It’s not a “normal day’s hunt”, but it’s where the Field Trial game has gone and hence the breeding of field dogs.

      Any breeder who is trying to produce litters with the good parts of the two “families” deserves a medal!!!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Labradorks View Post
      My new pup, Presto, has a GCH dad (also MH and halfway to his OTCH). His pedigree is mostly conformation with a sprinkling of JH titles. He doesn't look like the same dog between conformation and hunt test pics (Pedigree of GCH Seawind Fergmar Bells And Whistles MH UDX OM1) where he looks like a moderately bred Labrador. I talked to his owner on the phone before Presto was born and she told me he did not train for hunt tests while getting his GCH; they had to put weight on him for conformation and then take it off for obedience and field. I know that's a controversial statement...sorry. Aaaannnnyyyyway...mom is typey, but didn't do well enough in the conformation ring to continue spending money to campaign her. She is a MH25 and is the result of field trial dogs (AFC, QAA) bred with CHs on her dam's side. Her sire's side is mostly CH with some lower level performance titles here and there, but he was a CH/UD/MACH/MH. There is an art to this; it's definitely not willy-nilly breeding.

      I went with this breeder for several reasons, but one big one was because she breeds to standard while also breeding performance dogs. Her dogs are moderate with nice heads, good bone, legs, well-structured, and proper coats. Presto's litter might have some CH/MHs in there, but he may not make size and I just don't see him being competitive with what is in the ring these days. If I had a dollar for everyone who has said to me, "Now THAT'S what a Labrador is supposed to look like!"... Which, makes me feel bad because I have two conformation Labs myself, but I do understand what they are saying. I *LOVE* my conformation Labs. I don't think you can beat a conformation bred Lab as a pet. Any person looking for a great pet for themselves, their family, kids, etc., that you can do all kinds of things with, I'd definitely send them to a conformation breeder. And, you can definitely do sports with them, too, but it's just a different experience. Linus and Sam have been much easier to train and socialize - just that calmer more bombproof nature about them - but they also don't have that chutzpah that Presto has, that I wanted, and that makes training him not quite as simple. But the outcome is much different!
      Sure wish you every success with Presto!

      I’m beginning a slow process of thinking about and researching the next puppy. I’ve learned so much about all the mistakes I’ve made over the past 6 years with Ram Jet Rocket Dog. OTOH: It’s amazing how much progress we’ve made in the last 6 weeks or so since I’ve really recovered from the chemo. But because we want to do field sports... conformation (“English” looks) is out of the question for the future Rocket Dog.

      I think a high octane field dog can make a super great pet. Young labs are ALL pretty high energy at first. And field bred pups just need to be brought up with consistent handling just like any other. I will admit, however, I don’t have any experience with dogs with ANY bench titles.... so my opinion on the matter is worth every dime you’ve paid for it!

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      Quote Originally Posted by TuMicks View Post
      So Anne raised the point about the last Dual Champion. There will never be another... sadly the field lines and show lines are forever in a state of total disunion. It’s almost like two breeds. “English” looks, is basically a synonym for Bench/show morphology, which I won’t try to characterize. Field bred lines are now basically sprint AND endurance atheletes and competitive dogs have to cover a lot of ground in a big hurry. They’re morphology reflects that reality. (Imagine a dog who will execute three or more 200-400 yard sprints in rapid succession over rough ground and heavy cover, maybe uphill and against the wind.) It’s not a “normal day’s hunt”, but it’s where the Field Trial game has gone and hence the breeding of field dogs.

      Any breeder who is trying to produce litters with the good parts of the two “families” deserves a medal!!!
      Thank you. I hope I can brag w/o being tarred and feathered but Turbo (Barry's boy's sire) has already earned his UD (working toward UDX), has his Exc Agility titles, TD, JH (back in SH training) and has UKC CH, Int CH and 4 AKC points. Oh and he is Therapy Dog Advanced titled as well which takes 100 hrs or more under their program. Heck I can hardly keep up w/ the title progressions of some of my pups, so yes, I'm pretty happy w/ my blended breedings here. Of course it takes motivated owners to do all of this too. Sadly I'm going to miss them this weekend even though they are only 85 miles away at obed trials (normally 300 miles away) but unless I can get someone to puppy sit it's not happening.

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      Has the OP been back to read any of this????????

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