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    Oh my, what a cutie! Yes, a Dudley but who cares, the love she will give is just the same as any lab.

    Keep the pictures coming. We love to see them grow.
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    Just a small correction, this is not a "true dudley" with out any pigment at all, a "true dudley" would have throughly pink pigment, this puppy has liver pigment. Both parents were chocolate, and both had to carry the yellow factor to produce a yellow puppy, so the only gene the parents had to pass on were the genes for liver pigment.

    The puppy is very cute!!

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    Agree this is not a "true dudley." Just a puppy from two chocolate dogs carrying yellow, so some puppies were born chocolate with the corresponding pigment and some were born yellow with liver pigment. The eyes may go yellow or hazel as the dog ages. Enjoy your puppy!
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    Goldie is super cute and she and your son look like they've already become fast friends! Thanks for the photo!

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    I don't think we've ever seen a "true Dudley". The term "Dudley" was coined with another breed in mind. We use the term in Labs to describe the chocolate pigmented yellows.

    Here's a quick primer on colors. Labs come in black with black pigment and brown with brown pigment. There is an additional gene that "turns color off" which is what makes yellow fur. So yellows come in black pigment and brown pigment as well.

    The green eyes will mellow into an amber as pup matures. Typically the greener the puppy eyes, the more yellow the adult eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JenC View Post
    I don't think we've ever seen a "true Dudley". The term "Dudley" was coined with another breed in mind. We use the term in Labs to describe the chocolate pigmented yellows.

    Here's a quick primer on colors. Labs come in black with black pigment and brown with brown pigment. There is an additional gene that "turns color off" which is what makes yellow fur. So yellows come in black pigment and brown pigment as well.

    The green eyes will mellow into an amber as pup matures. Typically the greener the puppy eyes, the more yellow the adult eyes.
    I think casually we use "dudley" to describe the liver pigmented yellow, but even in Labs I see sticklers for not using that term to describe this type of dog. I know there are discussions about phrases like non-black pigmented vs. liver pigmented.

    Regardless, it's a cute puppy.

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    Hm. Well, I am not seeing any chocolate or liver pigment around the eyes, and so was going off the terms I've read used in genetic discussions of Dudleys—as some have liver pigment and some do not. Many of those with darker pigmentation around the mouth and eyes will have darker eyes; a lack of pigmentation (which is what I saw in the photos) often comes with very light eyes. Anyway, the terminology doesn't much matter to me. It's a very cute pup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MightyThor View Post
    She's beautiful!

    When I was a baby my parents got a puppy from a neighbor with an accidental litter (this was 1978 - oh boy I just dated myself). He was a mix of all sorts of things, but he had that lovely liver pigmentation in his nose and eyes and mouth. My parents named him Dudley (after Dudley Do-Right) and it was years later, after that dog passed at the ripe old age of 18, that we learned about the term dudley and what it meant. I've always thought that was a funny coincidence.
    Here's a link to the famous Canadian Dudley Do-Right

    Dudley Do-Right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    LOL, a fellow in the MNR office I first worked at looked remarkably like this cartoon character. He went on to become a Conservation Officer. The original Dudley Do-Right of course is a Mountie. You can see his lip and eye pigment is pink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abulafia View Post
    Hm. Well, I am not seeing any chocolate or liver pigment around the eyes, and so was going off the terms I've read used in genetic discussions of Dudleys—as some have liver pigment and some do not. Many of those with darker pigmentation around the mouth and eyes will have darker eyes; a lack of pigmentation (which is what I saw in the photos) often comes with very light eyes. Anyway, the terminology doesn't much matter to me. It's a very cute pup.
    Look at the leather on the puppy's paws. There is darker pigment there. There's no albinism here, and commonly this type of puppy is produced by two chocolate (carrying yellow) Labs. I'm not saying people can't describe this puppy as a Dudley, just that "true Dudley" didn't seem accurate in this case. Obviously, as a companion dog, the pigment has no relevance. Another cute puppy for folks to enjoy. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dxboon View Post
    I think casually we use "dudley" to describe the liver pigmented yellow, but even in Labs I see sticklers for not using that term to describe this type of dog. I know there are discussions about phrases like non-black pigmented vs. liver pigmented.

    Regardless, it's a cute puppy.
    True, most reputable breeders don't use the term, even look confused if you use it. Those involved in pet forums know it, those that aren't on them, don't use the term. Chocolate pigmented yellow. No Black Pigment yellow.

    IMHO I don't believe we've ever seen a Dudley with true thoroughly "lacking pigment". I think they are all shades of chocolate. For how pink some folks will swear the pigment is, the dog is still the result of a breeding that produces No Black Pigment yellows.

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